Cornfed, I'm glad you're so sure of yourself, there, especially since that makes no sense at all. |
One more: "Ivana Humpalot"?......Muh hah hah hah hah hah!!! That movie was silly, but I loved it anyway. |
I think that we all knew the court order (today) would happen, and it seems to me that Napster will eventually have to pay some kind of royalties, whether the music is coming "from them", or whether it comes from their "users". Either way, the so-called "free sharing of music" will not be allowed to go on by the RIAA, someone will have to pay something for what gets exchanged there, because it is all too easy for the music industry's primary "youth market" to get a bunch of music that they deem "as good as CD" for free, and how can that not affect profit margins? If they really like it as good (and usually they like it BETTER than CD), and they get it for free, WHY WOULD THEY PAY FULL RETAIL FOR A CD? THEY WOULDN'T, AND THEY DON'T. Interview a bunch of 14 or 15 year olds, and ask them how much of their music is bought on CD, and then ask how much did they get for free off the net. This is a no-brainer.........Yes, I've heard Napster's claims that more adults use them, than teenagers, but THERE'S NO WAY THIS HOLDS WATER EITHER....think about it. The bul (like 90%) of the music industry's income is youth driven, this cannot be denied or refuted. |
That surprises me not. And, revealed, your opinion is. Communism will always fail in the long run, because at some point, men fight for their basic freedoms...at least those outside that little island, so far. Socialism is a dangerous path that always leads to authoritarianism. America is full of men who'll fight for their basic freedoms, and to keep their markets and elections free. I pity those who aren't like us. Gore and his ilk will never understand that rugged individualism is what built the USA, and their ideals are what's tearing it down. "The greater good" does not take precedence over basic personal rights, that's what a republic is supposed to be. |
How is it that you can have so much space between your paragraphs, and we can't? |
It's not a matter of "soon", it's already happened. Do you not watch the news broadcasts? There are many others that will and are filling the Napster vacuum, but the government will obviously whittle the largest of them down also, over time...................I think there are other things going on in the USA that are more important than free music on the internet.....................Issabre, your guy claims he invented the internet, so "if" he's elected, maybe he'll solve all that worries you, heh heh heh. |
Yes, I watch. OK, so it has. The judge was probably paid off. |
No, I'm not belivin. You need to publish your Mein Kompf elsewhere. Saying things like "people are the least happy in the USA, than in anywhere else in the world"...is utter foolishness. I could say just as accurately, "that everyone in America is actually blood red, it's just that their skin pretends to cover all of this blood that's actually perfectly visible underneath...if we just don't let the skin fool us into thinking that we aren't seeing it..." It is indeed born out in history, and I too "don't know where you get this". What do you suspect about my "tone", btw? IT IS ALL VERY SIMPLE. YOU, AND ALL LIBERALS AD SOCIALISTS, ARE THE ONES WHO ARE UNHAPPY. Why? Because you want to EQUALIZE EVERYONE'S LIFE OUTCOME, and have us all share a collective uncounciousness, and shirk out individualism. It'll never happen, it's not logical, it's not human, it doesn't occur in nature, or in the history of society, and it's the antithesis of capitalism, and everything out country was founded on. If you want a socialist utopia, I suggest you build one on the Moon, sans spacesuits! Give it up, and come over to the good side of the force, before you self destruct! |
I very much regret that I'm not as evolved as you. I would also like to apologize on behalf of all the USA, for not being the greatest country in the world. In addition to this, I would like you to consider seeking some sort of help for this depression of yours, before you join others who might have similar thoughts. |
Issabre, or whoever you are, as soon as you want to discuss something in an intelligent manner WITHIN YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, rather than vomiting forth false-anectdotal blather that wastes the electricity of Audiogon's server (i.e., try to keep away from bs like "the majority of Americans are unhappy"), and perhaps even stick to audio subjects, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO CARRY ON SUCH A DISCUSSION WITH YOU................And yes, I take partial responsibility for the political side-trip of this thread, and of course I realize neither of us is budging on that; only a fool would think we would, so let's not waste time with that anymore...........................Napster: I'm going to try it, gonna download several terabytes (or so) of free music, and burn CD-R's. Have you done this? Have you found the 128 mbit transfer rate items to be "close" to CD quality, or have you compared directly? It'd be nice if they were, because the idea that much of, if not all music, (especially digitally stored music) should be free, is appealing to those of us who need to save money. I've spent way too much on all the vinyl reissues to be enthusiastic about paying for music in ANY format anymore, much less CD format. |
Also, it's nice to be able to get that stuff that can't be bought in stores (or anywhere), if you catch my drift. Sure, the sonic quality of those is compromised, but so what? I'm a music lover, where my favorite music is concerned (the "audiophile" music is what you show your system off with, mostly)...and it's not my fault that they'll never release a live concert album... |
My feeling about vinyl, is that it's something that needs to appeal to you on a gadget level. You have to find joy in the process, or else you won't want to get into it. If you've not played vinyl on a highend table before, i suggest you find a friend who has one, and watch him. Then ask if you can try it. I find it quite fun, and with all the reissues, it's certainly worthwhile from a sonic performance point of view. When I got into this hobby 5 years ago, I was curious about classical and jazz, but didn't know much about them. I just started buying all sorts of titles, and especially the ones from the golden era of stereo. I've not really come across anything I don't like, other than the recording quality sometimes (it might be in mono, but not labled as such...etc.) I will still try a bunch of downloads thru Napster, mostly modern rock stuff that is probably better had, free....heh heh...........If you are in the southeast, you are welcome to come visit my system sometime, Issabre. I've found the only path to audio happiness, is to have both vinyl, and CD. |
Yes, my system isn't up to the very best standards either, and I can't afford the really expensive stuff. I'm not much of a tweak freak, and my listening rooms aren't in service to decor considerations, either. Those will always be compromised IMO. I'm 115 miles north of Atlanta, and hope to have my "higher output" system back in the basement "cave" sometime after Labor Day............................Regarding Napster....I must say, I love it! The joy of saving thousands of dollars is sweet! MUSIC WILL ALWAYS BE FREE...Muh hah hah hah hah haahhhh..........Well, that which should be free, anyway, since it's compressed/limited/mixed/pan-potted, and meant to go along with the kiddies in convertibles....the top down, the Kickers booming...at 140 mph...life is sweet. |
Oh, I only have a 56k also, you just have to do it 24 hours a day that way. Not good, and what I hate is when you get halfway thru a download, and the host suddenly decides to log off...what a pain. I need to go to a place with T-1 connection sometime, and use a zip drive..........I've not burned any yet, no super hurry on that. The hurry is in getting all I want (a lot) before they're ordered to cease operations...I only have 75 songs so far................I've been thru the NC mountains several times. On the way to Asheville on highway 64, you go thru a lot of little old towns, that probably look similar to the way they did, pre-WWII era. I love the Vanderbilt mansion, I wish my future dream house could be similar...heh heh heh. |
Not all of them sound the same, some are pretty close to CD. The transfer rate doesn't tell the whole story, either. Some at 128 sound superior to a 256, it's just a matter of how well the original was captured. For instance, if a CD was copied at several times normal speed (before MP3 conversion), then the sonic ills are obvious. My reason for using Napster, is to get the music I am unwilling to buy, but would still like to listen to. This amounts to a lot of music, and saves me many thousands of dollars off the retail price of those CD's. I've already spent many thousands of dollars on both CD, and especially recent vinyl reissues, so I feel I'm owed a "break" of sorts. They've made plenty of money off of me since I first started buying music 16 years ago, afterall... |
I never kissed the dude, just realized I could kill more birds with kindness, than with stones. Ok, I didn't really realize that, I'm just a nice guy, as long as nobody attacks me. And if they do, Tom and the AG staff desperately want to see me lay down and take it (actually, they desperately want me off this planet...or at least out of their forum). Tom said if somebody verbally accausted him in person, he would "just walk away". He says a lot of things...I don't pretend to be a fully mature individual, and I am a "hothead", I admit that. But, the concept of "first blood" is not lost on me. You play idiot with dogging my "serious" posts for over a month, you get "got"...that's the way I play (and I'm not talking about Issabre). Anyway, I can't believe they let me back on this place, must have been another hacker, heh heh...............AND MY FEELINGS ON NAPSTER ARE THAT IT'S A PAIN, if you only have a 56k modem, and that most of what's on there has been read at 12X speed, and there's no way of knowing this until you dowload it for an hour (assuming there's no "transfer error"). A few files have been quite nice, from CD-R's on my CD50. Some don't even translate to CD, they either say they're 4 seconds long, or else they really screw you, and just burn silence on the CD-R, instead of a song. FREE MUSIC IS A PAIN....and that's why I like it! Sort of... |
To understand where the lines are drawn, one need only watch how the judge rules. |
I like using Napster very much, and many of the files sound very good from CD-R's thru my CD player in my main system (I suspect that one or two would pass "blind tests" against the original CD...most would not, of course). I don't feel it's stealing, anymore than it's stealing to record FM radio broadcasts, or even just to LISTEN to radio broadcasts. Radio broadcasts are free, and yet are we stealing the music we listen to on the radio? Some may argue that since radio broadcasts have advertisements, that they are the ones paying for the use of the music. Well, I say it's not me who's paying for these advertisements (local car dealerships, rk surgeons, etc, pay for these), and I'm under no obligation to buy the product being advertised...therefore, I AM listening to the music for free, without having to first buy it. Is that stealing? Is it stealing when you borrowed a friend's CD (back when CD first came out), and copied it onto cassette tape? I agree that there is a vast difference in the scale, and the ease of which one can download these files for free...but like I've said before, my feeling is that the music industry has foreseen this for sometime, and that's why they charged such VERY high premiums for music up until know...to pre-offset any losses they might incur, from a large group of consumers who are now downloading their music for free. It's just "give, and take", and I think the presiding judge agrees with me. I'm sure there will be all sorts of federal and state regulation of free music over the net in the future, in any case. And for those who would disagree with me here, I challenge ANY ONE of you to cite a specific musician (or even a music label), who has filed for bankruptcy SOLEY due to the free distribution of their music on the internet....this might take a while, so I won't hold my breath. |
Why? Mainly so that I can save some money, I'm not ashamed to admit it. I've paid full retail of like over $4000 for vinyl reissues from Classic Records and other vinyl reissue labels, in the past 2 and a half years, and so....Why would I NOT be feeling some "wallet shock" from that??? (Not that I don't enjoy these, I love them....) Besides, why would anyone not want to try music for FREE, even if they did decide to buy it on vinyl, CD, SACD, or something else LATER? THE SOUND QUALITY of MP3 can get VERY close to CD, and luckily for me, this has occurred (rarely I admit, mostly due to the lack of care taken when the original MP3 file was created) on most of the more "audiophile music" oriented downloads I've done (i.e., Diana Krall...I am DEMOING my system with those songs!!! That is, on "green pen" treated Mitsui Gold CD-R's I've made from those MP3 files at 1x speed, and played on my highend CD player in my system)...................Mike, why don't you just try Napster, and maybe you'll appreciate it? If not, then simply uninstall the free program software, and forget about it. Is it really any more complicated than that?? If you have a connection faster than 56k (I don't), you might really have fun.... |
Yes, I met a model/student in NYC, and we did the cyber sex thing, that was fun. Met a few others, one from New Orleans said she looked like Britney Spears, and that was fun too. But of course, "it's really about the music"...that is certain, for me. |
That's not always true, and some of us suffer from retail burnout. I bet your music store loves to see you come in the door!! |
Not so many, just you and Korn, and I'm ok with that. You need to get a life, and grow up a little bit. Keep it on audio, or you know what will happen. Others have gone before you.... |
You ought to, you're the same guy...If it were illegal, the judge would have shut it down. Stop whining like a crybaby, and enjoy your own music. |
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If it were illegal, Napster would be shut down. That is fact. Whining about it won't change it. I think it's time for full disclosure here, Hedge. Admit it, you work in the music industry, and are biased. You want to protect your high paying job, and your own bottom line.......................None of us are selling the files we share thru Napster, and we gain ZERO profit from it. It's not stealing. Radio and MTV pay royalties, BECAUSE THEY MAKE A HUGE PROFIT OFF THE USE OF THE ARTISTS' COPYWRITTEN MATERIALS (they certainly wouldn't have a business without the use of the material, it's the core of the product they deliver...no one would listen or watch, if there were no copywritten materials to hear or view). Endusers make ZERO profit off the use of, and sharing of, files thru Napster. The fact that you are upset about the existence of Napster, shows your bias undeniably clearly, and also makes you look pathetic and silly, since you have zero control over the whole issue. Your crying about what the presiding judge rules, whatever that is if it ever reaches finality, is rather humorous to me. It's not up to you, it's not ABOUT you, so get over yourself. In this country, we rely on the judicial system to interpret, and hence ENFORCE the rule of law. Whatever the ruling, we abide by it. We don't cry like a baby about it, or else we might be a laughing stock, and lose our credibility. |
I agree Ralph, and btw, what did you think of my response to Pghedge? |
Ralph: Oh, I see, so you don't use Napster much at all, then? WHY ARE YOU COMMMENTING HERE, IF YOU HAVE LITTLE EXPERIENCE WITH IT? I enjoy using it, and could give a rat's keester about the "format wars". There's no "war", because NONE of them will gain wide acceptance as long as the general public can still buy CD's for less $, and download music for free off the internet. And, my above response was NOT over the top at all, thank ya very much...it was perfectly in keeping with who I was responding to. Good day, and have fun fighting your little format war...the general populace doesn't care, and we all know what happens to formats that are only supported by those handfuls of audiophiles in the world (they die). How many new release Quadrophonic LP titles have you bought lately? "It's about the music, and not gadgets"...and "Keep it real".....Carl |
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And neither does getting banned, so I suggest you stay on subject, you pansy you...or forgive me, rosebud....or is it Citizen Kane...or snow sled ("rosebud" in the movie, in case you lack that knowledge, or missed the ending)....I get them all mixed up. Who will it be next, Dr. Who? Professor fyunch-click? Davey Jones? Captain Kirk? Dammit-Jim? My sides are splitting...I kill me! |
