Every day I see another turntable recommendation...


After digging into this topic, I am convinced now I need to go a bit higher on this first vinyl set up. I think all in, I am prepared at this point to go up to $5k, for the table alone, not including arm or cartridge.

But frankly, being on this forum is like drinking from an information firehose. I have learned a bunch and yet somehow, I am less convicted than before.

With that in mind, to narrow down the decision, I am want to restrict myself to things I can buy, hear and, if necessary, service locally. My local dealers stock, AMG, AVM, Basis, Clearaudio, Michell, Musichall, Pro-ject, Rega, VPI, so I am likely restricted to those brands. I am certain my view will change by the end of this thread.

saulh

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Fine mijo.  If you play records while hammering the side of your plinth, so be it.

Overkill earthquakes, overkill hammering, washing machines, jumping up and down.  We are talking about small airborne soundwaves.

"They will not shield the cartridge from extraneous vibration ( sound) as well if at all.". 

@mijostyn 

There is more than one way of shielding from vibration.  I favour unsprung TTs, no added springs elsewhere (boing boing) - who says vibrations can't pass through springs?

Mass isolation is the best vibration insulator by far.  No moving parts.  Just a big slab of concrete, stone or marble that would take a ton of force to move it, not a small vibration.  My support is mainly marble and must have a total weight of 1200 pounds or more.  It also isolates phono amp, pre-amp, power supplies, CD and SACD players.

My isolation 

@mijostyn   I have had plenty of suspended turntables, for many years from the late 70s a Linn that I was forever having to re-tune so that the springs bounce evenly.  Then a Simon Yorke Zarathustra a massy design in which the springs were like car valve springs.  That worked better.  You may find it interesting that after that Simon stopped making suspended TTs, with the S7 that I used for a long time.  You may recall this was Michael Fremer's reference for some eight years before he moved out of my league into $six figures TTs.  I now run his S10, again solid, on which I hear no noise in an unmodulated groove.

You say vibration can pass through a heavy mass.  This is true but only for large vibrations.  Your example of an earthquake (caused by seismic movements, not by vibrations), is extreme.  Yes an earthquake may spoil your listening.  It may also bring your house down around you.

Small intensity vibrations of the type we are talking about do not pass through large masses.  To pass through such objects the soundwaves must move it = vibrate it. They cannot do that because they are not sufficiently intense = have the power.

I do not hear footfall seated as I am on a concrete slab covered with carpet.

But there is no need to create problems by having a suspended wooden floor in your listening room.

 

 

 frequency our own senses can detect but not the cartridge, it feels everything. That is what it is designed to do.

So, clearthinker, throw away your Kuzma Stabi XL DC AIR and get yourself a real turntable like a Sota, Basis, Avid or SME and enjoy listening to music without rumble. It will be an entirely new experience for you.