Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
avguru

Showing 10 responses by audio_girl

Well 711 Smilin, we are waiting for your response to the shoot-out at Mr. Walsh's!
Bet it was a rather humbling experience, especially considering that Mr. Walsh and Tgun5 thought that Tguns SLIGHTLY MODDED Esoteric DV-50 sounded better than your FULLY MODDED APL Denon DVD-3910! And there was NO clear overall winner! And this was on a multi-thousand dollar AUDIOPHILE SYSTEM as you are fond of telling AVGURU.
I figured by the way that you were always bragging on Alex and his APL Denon DVD-3910, and insulting and cutting down other peoples systems and players, that your APL Denon would absolutely walk all over and destroy these other players!Apparently that did not happen at all!
For example you said that AVGURU's system sounded like Radio Shack, and his former DV-50 sounded like a toy, etc.
He also called him a "HORSES ASS".
Those kinds of remarks are totally uncalled for!
I don't blame AVGURU for leaving this thread. Your arrogance over your APL Denon, your system, and yourself is, [or was], obnoxious. This thread should have been 711's, and should have been titled:"APL MODDED DENON DVD-3910:Any cdp's Significantly better"!!
And Alex of APL, whats your response over the shoot-out?
Just curious.
If I have offended anyone..too bad..I tell it like I see it!
Daltonlanny,
I am a female audiophile. Anything wrong with that?
Hey Jwells, the last insulting remarks that 711 made toward AVGURU were only a few days ago. Read the posts.
Still waiting on a response from 711???
In all honesty, I think we need to forget about this thread and go on enjoying our hobby and choosing equipment that makes us PERSONALLY happy!
That is my goal. I buy to suit my own personal tastes and enjoyment. To hell with what others may think about my system or individual components!
Have a great one, GUYS!
Angela
AMEN TGUN!
Way to go!
Alex, you just can't stand the fact that a SLIGHTLY modded Esoteric DV-50 by a DIFFERENT modder than YOURSELF, sounded equal or better than YOUR FULL-BLOWN Denon 3910!
EARS, sorry to burst your bubble, but the Onkyo DV-SP1000 isn't even in the same league as the Esoteric DV-50 or Linn Unidisc audiowise!
One of my friends DID own a Onkyo DV-SP1000, and another one owns a DV-50. When we installed the Onkyo in our systems, it wasn't even close! The Onkyo sounded muted, overly warm, distant, and rolled off in the highs in comparison!
Lesson: DO NOT PUT ALL YOUR FAITH IN REVIEWS!
Have a good rest of the day, guys.
EARS,
OH MY GOD, here you go again ranting and raving about the Onkyo DV-SP1000.
Get a life man.
Are you trying to tell me that my system does not have enough resolution, and my hearing is not good enough to tell that the Linn Unidisc and Esoteric are CLEARLY sonically better than the 1000 on all formats?
Get it through your hard head...THERE ARE BETTER UNIVERSAL PLAYERS OUT THERE THAN THE ONKYO DV-SP1000!!!STOCK and modified!!!
Daltonlanny is a believer! I met him this afternoon. He only lives a town away from me! What are great, fun, honest, and knowlegeable guy! He is a blast to be around.
He said my system was absolutely awesome and to-die-for. He said he has never heard such a complete and detailed system in his life.
[Makes me feel good that all my hard work and auditioning tons of components finally paid off!]
He also said that he could not believe how much better my Linn Unidisc was sonically on ALL FORMATS than his FORMER Onkyo DV-SP1000.
He said if he had the money, he would buy the Unidisc without hesitation or a second thought.
Granted we did agree that the Onkyo has a better picture, and is built like a tank. But that is as far as it goes!
If you think the Onkyo is so good, take Tgun5 up on his offer above. I think you would change your mind rather quickly!
Nice to meet you, daltonlanny!
OH NO,
HERE WE GO BACK TO THE APL DENON DVD-3910: ANY CDP'S SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THREAD... AGAIN!
You are a sly one, Alex!
PS- Hey 711, good to see that you finally jumped off the APL bandwagon for a while. I'm proud uv yah man!
Boa2,
Geez, can't you take a joke???
Kiddin' man, kidding! Calm down. Take a deep breath.
And...Do not forget that the shootout at Brian Walsh's between the Modwright Sony, all out APL Denon 3910, and a slightly RAM modded Esoteric DV-50 was inconclusive at best.
ALL PLAYERS, regardless of price or modding technique have weaknesses, and no two peoples tastes are exactly alike.
There will NEVER EVER be a BEST SOUNDING player, regardless of whether it is stock or all out modded period!
audio_girl
Thank you Jes45!
Another thing, 711, keep your nose out of my business from now on. I have just as much right to express my opinions on Agon as you do. Thank you for your cooperation.
Angela
Thank you for the comments, Irishdog!
Yes, I saved a ton of money on my system. If I would have paid full retail prices, I would have paid more than double what I have in it now.
I am from Earth, believe it or not! I guess my breed is very rare!
I have never had any kind of reliability problems with the Linn 1.1.
What are your sonic impressions of your DV-50?