Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
avguru

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Here's a thought for the modders:Check out the upcoming esoteric ux3 and x03.They are 2 channel versions and have the latest vrds.Prices will be 6000-7000 U.S.(a cheaper entry point to the best available transport)
Avguru,
often companies "fudge" release dates so as not to affect sales of existing(ux1,x01).I dont know the actual U.S.release date. I read 1Q 06.Technicaly this would be 2 "years" away.My strategy will be to keep my powder dry for now and see how stock units and mods progress over the next year.Big progress is being made by both.
Avguru,
The Conrad Johnson Act 2 and ART are single ended designs.They are(arguably) the best in the world.
NUFF SAID
avguru,
You are correct.I misread your post.Lew at CJ says balanced can't be done with their tube pre's so we'll never know.So far no ones balanced pre's have clearly bettered CJ's rca pre's which I guess was my point.It's a side issue
and a fine point so I won't waste any more time on it .No disrespect intended.
avguru,
The ux1 audio is the same as the upcoming ux3 and x03.I'm guessing that the x01 will 'fill out' some with twice the chips.I'm really looking forward to your x01 ux1 comparison.From what I'm hearing from you, however,your love of musicality I bet you'd be happiest with a tube output stage what ever your ultimate choice.Other things may change the extraction of info but a tube output will change the sonic signature.If a "musical sound " is what you want it's an option.APL apparently does a nice job with these .Just a thought.I'm thinking about a ux3/tube mod option myself down the road.I currently own the dv 50 and share your feelings.
Avguru,
One thing to consider is a tube preamp. I use a C.J. and I feel it adds to the musicality . Guido : sorry man , I'm a lousy typist .
APLHIFI,
Help me understand. Tube preamps like my CJ 16 s2 adds artificial "bloom" (distortion). Your use of tubed output stage (vs ss) changes the sonic signature to a more "musical" one (which people seem to like and is somehow not distortion). My simple brain needs help on this one. I certainly won't upgrade to the ACT-2 until I fully understand the added "noise,distotions,and bloom" comment.
Merry Xmas
Jim
APLHIFI,
At no time did I dispute your reasoning for a shorter signal path. My question regaurded your own use of "bloom" causing tubes. You have not explained why you use them. My assumption is that they are used intentionaly to alter the sonic signature to a more pleasing "bloomy" one. I personaly don't judge this one way or the other. Regaurding the use of a preamp I would say that it would be a net negative only if you have a better way to perfectly add gain. I want to make it clear that I'm not attacking you or your products.
Best Wishes,
Jim
Hey guys lay off Richard. What he says shouldn't hurt your feelings if you truly believe in what you're doing. I think we all feel passionately about audio but it's how we express the passion that counts. I will assume for my own sake that Richard is sincere in his belief. Please let's just agree to disagree and get back to the journey after this brief,unfortunate interruption.
Respect is something all people deserve. Disagreements happen but I hope none of us feels we have a lock on "the truth". As lazarus said its about the MUSIC and this by its nature MUST be subjective. Feel free to bash any piece of EQUIPMENT you like but refrain from bashing people who's opinions you don't like. I have no affinity for "stuff" only for the joy it brings me.
James