Enough noise reduction?


Curious at what point noise reduction could be considered "good enough".

Currently running a Denafrips Aeris ll DAC

Frequency Response: 20-70KHz -3dB

THD+N: 0.004%

S/N Ratio: 115dB

Dynamic Range: >119dB

Stereo Crosstalk: -124dB

 

Denafrips Hades preamp 

Frequency Response: 10-80kHz(-0.3dB)

THD+N: 0.00045%

S/N Ratio: 122dB

Dynamic Range: >121dB

Stereo Crosstalk: -110dB

Input Impedance: 60k Ω

Output Impedance: 200 Ω

Gain: Unity Gain 0dB

 

And Denafrips Hyperion amplifier 

Gain: 26dB

Output Power: 80w RMS per channel into 8ohms

Frequency Response: 10-80kHz(-2.2dB)

THD+N: 0.00078%

S/N Ratio: 125dB

Dynamic Range: >121dB

Stereo Crosstalk: -110dB

 

Currently all power cords are Shunyata Delta NR v1. 

So, the bug has bitten once again and I have been interested in experimenting with something different in power cords. Maybe Zavfino, Cullen or something of the sort. 

The one thing that has held me back at this point is with such low noise floors already on the components is there really any need to be concerned about giving up what additional reduction the Shunyata are providing. 

The Shunyata are very good. Just curious if there may be other brands out there on the used that may have better synergy or that I find more engaging with my set up.

 

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Showing 6 responses by holmz

what makes them better is the rectangular shape of The wire greatly reduces the skin effect,

@urbie 

But I thought that skin effect was mostly something affected high frequencies and the power cord is 50 or 60 Hz?
As we approach DC the entire conductor is in action… all the way down to its very core.

 

another tweak you should look at is the Townshend podiums

^This^ is happening after the electrical signal is launched into a air as an acoustical field… so is a bit outside of the electrical system noise.

I highly doubt that Stereophile and ASR are using lab power supplies for their measurements.

@yage and you would be wrong.
(Not for amps, but for the front end gear tests… I believe that you are right for amp testing.)

If I did not attract a 2 weekban there I could look it up, but it is mentioned a some of the videos.

 

This thread had made me realize that a measurement not usually taken or published is power supply noise reduction ratio.

We get the S/N+THD specs, and these assume ideal AC power.  We also should see something like how well AC noise can make it to the audio outputs.  Not an impossible test.

Yeah @erik_squires Probably a test for both for a voltage field, and for a current field would be good.

@holmz 

I'm still doubtful a lab power supply is used. It just doesn't make any sense. A lab 'bench' power supply provides DC, not AC. Also, these components are consumer products meant to operate off of standard household power. If you want to measure and test them, wouldn't you want to know the performance given wall power?

No, I don’t think so.
One would want just the noise and distortion from only the unit.

But many would also want to know how the unit operates with dodgy power.

Since we do not know what different cities, countries, and individual houses power looks like, then the easiest is just use pure sine wave power.

if you're going to get power cords the best ones to get are the rectangular OCC single crystal wire even better than the round OCC single crystal wire.

What makes them better @urbie ?