Based on my experience with DACs I would recommend you pick up a used Terminator (original, or even one of the smaller models) and see how it sounds in your system. This $3-4k expense, which you can resell, will tell you if you like the Denafrips flavor. If so, then either keep it or upgrade, and add a Aurender N20 using the SPDIF output to upsample. This will give you the best world of smoothness and detail and substance/meat on the bone. I currently own and like Weiss, but for what you describe I think the Denafrips might be a good match. I have never heard any of the Chords in my system. If you haven’t read it, the computer audiophile review of the terminator vs the TII is a really good summary of how these DACs sound and expounds on the benefit of upsampling with them.
Endgame Vocal+ DAC Help: Terminator Plus 12th vs. Chord DAVE vs. Holo May vs. Weiss502.
tl;dr: Read title. I like vocals with spacing, depth and atmosphere. VOCALS. I have a small, shitty space - one side of an closed porch; very near-feild computer-setup. Consider myself a whore for detail. Was surprised to find detail-praised DACs to be harsh (e.g., RME ADI). Want thick, dark/rich, vocal forward, no loss in detail. Hate thin, harsh, and smeared/muddy sound. Julien Baker. Hold my hand and mentor me.
The atmospheric, depth of field, concentration stuff like this: https://youtu.be/rNEZlRgebwQ is something I love, but, without lyrics, I lack emotional engagement.
Setup (shitty near-field, no choice):
Audio Streaming Services or Youtube to
BeQuiet! PC Build - USB out to
Topping D90 MQA (to be replaced)
to Better Cables XLR
to Benchmark HPA4
to Classe' SIGMA AMP 2
to Wilson Audio Duette 2's
Headphones: Hifiman Arya
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Ok, I always feel guilty asking for help; still, finding any advice otherwise is difficult.
I'm looking to get an endgame DAC; I have the budget for about $20k worth of gear, if it's blow-me-away sort of stuff. I've read and watched virtually every review (about 20 or so reads; about 20 or so youtube reviews, each). I can find on these (and other) DACs; so, I feel somewhat equipped with the general perceptions of each.
Still, I'm not sure how these will best suit my wants for a DAC.
Best I can tell, each of these DACs have their own camps of support, and each comes with some distinct, common-to-review, characteristics:
Chord DAVE: Bright, Atmospheric, Big, Depth, Mega Detail, Harsh on Femal Vocals at times, but other than that, I've read nothing but cum-stained reviews for this ugly thing.
Denafrips T+12: Smooth, Medium Dark, Juicy, Rich, Big, Atmospheric, Not as Vocal Forward, Changes the sound but in a good way*, Some say it backs off the lead vocals when other vocals are present.
Holo May: Smooth, 'Correct', Neutral, Big, Vocal more forwardish
Weiss502: Rich, Juicy, Studio Master Tape, Less Color
*I do not care if the DAC changes the music - most the artists I love seem to be TERRIBLE in the mixing/mastering dept. Like TERRIBLE. Why every artist doesn't listen to their masters on every level of dac-to-speaker combo with particular emphasis on the sort of setups/playback their target demo has absolutely boggles the mind.
I almost exclusively listen to slower, guitar/piano-based, female-vocal heavy music (e.g., Julien Baker - a lot of Julien Baker). So, I'm looking to get a DAC best suited for that sort of music.
Essentially, making this (I know, youtube, but I love this recording) sound as good as possible is what I'm after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlVp9W6LvTQ
That skinny vocal mic in the Tiny Desk concerts has a level of detail I love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZdnq5tN5vI
I'd like to preserve that sort of detail, but the vocals could be a touch warmer/fuller/juicier.
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Here's a bit of background experience and taste-to-product preferences with which I am aware:
I have auditioned the iFiDSD Pro, have owned the Matrix X-Sabre I, the RME ADI-II, and currently use the Topping D90 mQa. Of the 3 (but only after I gave the strange idea of burn-in a try), the Matrix was my favorite - I think because of the spaciousness of the sound.
I do not have experience with FPGA or R2R dacs.
I consider(ed?) myself a detail whore ever since hearing the Elton John (self-titled) album in SACD - some 20ish years ago - the vocal isolated parts were really, really pleasingly detailed. This was played over a Marantz sr7007, the same year's Marantz SACD multi player, and with a Rotal 1075 AMP feeding BW 600 series floorstanders with bi-wired silver audio cable.
However, when listening to the RME ADI on my youtube favs, I found the whole thing absurdly detailed - but, fatiguing and harsh at times. I realize some of this is source - youtube. I keep referencing the RME ADI because, compared to the others, it was a detail winner, but, to my ears, was harsh and a tiny bit thin.
So, perhaps I am not the detail fiend I thought I was - I'm actually not sure.
I can say that I love the sound of the microphone used in the PASTE Mag concerts - that crispness that seems to pick up significant detail gives me the right emotional connection. Again, making this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlVp9W6LvTQ - sound as good as I can is what I'm after.
End of the day, I think I am looking for the most engaging dac for vocals - I am definitely a vocals whore, and a sucker for good, sad lyrics. I HATE anything muddy, congested, or blurred, and, after a lot of paying attention, I seem to be sensitive to harshness and listening fatigue. I realize detail and harshness/fatigue are often at odds. I have extended my budget to the absurd to tackle this.
At any rate, after literal years of research, this is where I am.
Can you help?
~Nick
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