Ketchup: You are correct. The overriding factor is that you understand my point. |
My point earlier was , taking playing conditions into consideration, that involves the lp on the platter. I guess I made a mistake by not restating this point later. |
Cto517: I appreciate your understanding my posts. That gives me a lot of pleasure.
Regarding (ANAL), I doubt if there's anyone reading this that's more anal than I! I really take that as a complement! Whether or not it was implied or maybe just my own thoughts about it.
I hope my posts do give all a reason to laugh now and again! It' is important to keep our sense of humor! |
My personal experience with my and my friend's ET 2.5 is the lack of precision in manufacturing these parts. This is most likely the reason for his holding down the cost for so long.
When I take my arm/housing off the post/arc block.. it is an issue that involves quite a bit of pressure! On my friend's very recent arm upgrade, it didn't involve any pressure in releasing these two mating components! This is a BIG difference in the issue regarding precision/mating parts that greatly affect the overall sound of the arm!!!
I personally believe that the past precision of these parts were/are much better than the recent ones.
Here's an interesting thing... www.stepcraft2.com .
An in home CNC/3D printer!!! Wow! A game changer to say the least. |
Bigalt: My hearing isn't like it once was either.
The saving grace is.. even though humans' listening range doesn't go past 20Khz, an lp has the ability to go to 40khz. This can't be heard but can be experienced!!!!
The once reported range of digital doesn't come close. |
Bigalt: I think you, and maybe, only you, can appreciate the 3.5 platter/bearing and other mods I've done to my TT. Despite your pronouncement that you may not be able to hear nuances, I think you can at least appreciate your past history/vs/current going's on.
I'd LOVE to see your system! |
Richardkrebs: I find your last post to be very relevant and more over, logical! I don't feel in any way, (from my reading/understanding of what Frogman just posted), that his response/conclusion/or any history, suddenly becomes (justified), regarding any projects (we are all unaware of) he may have undertaken. I do hold out that I may have somehow (missed) something. If that is the case, please let me know?
I still haven't received any response to my (wondering) if others have found similar/any results in using different materials in the similar situations that I described above? Thank you.
If my perception regarding my statement above is wrong, I'd really like for someone to explain to me how I may have come to a wrong conclusion? |
Richardkrebs: Thank you for your questions. The tank on the Jun-Air is around 7 gal., so is my auxillary tank that is an aluminum tank from Harbor Freight. This is not an oil-less compressor.
I can tell you emphatically that even before I added this compressor into my system, my way of virtually eliminating any and all pulsing and moisture was done superbly by my Motor-Guard M-30 (toilet paper filter). ( I do remember adding a comment that when I had a compressor that ran continuously that produced a large amount of moisture, I had remedied all concerns with the Motor-Guard filter). Still I pointed out that upon introducing the Jun-Air, it made an improvement that was noticeable and welcome. (Keep in mind my (DIY) Motroxix regulator and the (pre-filter and post-filter) that are really not needed but go to my over-riding philosophy of more insurance is better, as well as these two things are (visual) reminders of a potential problem that I may never have. They Do not interfere with the sonics at all. Frankly, with this compressor, I doubt if you need all of the above filters and traps, etc...
I have a (storage bottle) for oil/moisture that escapes from the tank as well as a needle valve that I can easily open to expel any excess in the tank into the orange bowl.
IMO, this is a perfect set-up, certainly one I'd recommend to anyone. From what I hear, (from the technicians for Jun-Air), these compressors never fail! I use the recommended synthetic oil that, while expensive, should rarely need changing. |
Ct0517: Bigalt's 8 tt's should not surprise you. I think it is more of a "I wish I was there" factor. ha ha. (Shhhhh... you are very, very close) |
Bigalt: Reading (further) into your comment "and the sound it provides" makes me think that, you could provide all of us great insight on, (what I hope) are your further comments based on your (obvious) long history with analog, (specifically the ET). |
I'd appreciate any thoughts here on my above project. I believe it is very well thought out but will welcome any valid concerns/thoughts/improvements. |
Richardkrebs: Your observation is interesting, and more food for thought. I know from my experiments in using lead shot in various ways over the years that in does work to a certain extent, but one needs to be careful in the amount used while considering (as you say), the particular type of (situation) it is used in as well. In most of my listening experiments using it solely for a damping effect on top of speakers or stationary components, I've found that while it does work, too much deadens the sound in those types of applications. Since, I've found that brass works the best there. (Just the thought of lead as a substance, brings to mind (deadness), with no ability for any resonance to be controlled, just trapped and/or redirected). This is exactly the kind of thoughtful observation I was hoping to receive. Thanks, your thoughts are very welcome. |
Richardkrebs: I think that maybe a perfect example of what you are saying and what I've experienced, can be found in the Walker tt and associated stand. The stand, from my memory, included lead as a factor. This was most likely used as a necessity to deal with the system as a whole and it's (final, sonic) needs. (Maybe, with the inferiority of any stand, at the time, in order to effectively deal with such a well thought out, heavy design), they may have felt that deadening was superior to any other (systems) available then.
I just realized, here we are on the ET thread... and now, in my responses, I've introduced brass, lead , Walker...anyone see the connection?
From my memory, Bruce Thigpen had a working relationship with Bob Dilger on the Mapenoll, the ET arm was part of this project and then the basis for the Walker arm, then Pierre Spray (Mapleshade) had an association with Bob and apparently the folks at Walker (look at their similar racks and wire designs) It really comes full circle.. (in no particular order) |
Also, I'd like to thank the following people for their influence on this project:
Ct0157: for his early suggestion to have the arm & table separated
Frogman: for his insight on tonearm wire construction
Dgarretson: for supplying me with the bearing info needed for my future thread tensioning pod and the inspiration for my upcoming tonearm wire design
all of the above have been a great resource! |
... (more food for thought).. would lead shot encapsulated in epoxy sound different from stainless steel shot encapsulated in the same epoxy in a similar project? The point being, as you eluded to, that the epoxy is keeping the encapsulated material from exuding it's natural reaction to resonances. The only possible difference would be the mass each individual component has. This goes to my point of a particular materials' resonant properties affect on overall sound. (We may be trying to say the same thing but getting to that similar point by different methods.) |
Taking the thoughts above to the extreme.. think of using the very best material directly under a spinning platter/bearing, that one has found in their system testing to be their most favorable. Taking that material solely as the platters' base and machining it in the very best way in order to drain resonance away, my feeling is the end sound would not be very pleasing. This goes to my/others' over-riding point of the delicate balance in mating/using differing materials in order to achieve best sound. Resonance is a necessary factor in good sound. The controlling of resonance is the on-going/hard to grasp issue. |
Goeffkait: I had the same stand as you described, unfortunately, I cannot describe my listening results as I sold it a long time ago. I do wish you'd go into more detail regarding your conclusions VIA your obvious systems' reflections of these comments. Thank you! |
Geoffkait: Your experience and your way of dealing with the results, really gave me a "belly laugh". Thanks for that!
I don't want to in any way disregard Richardkrebs personal results. I believe it would be half-hazard and wrong to do so. I respect his thoughts and his journey. I find all of this fascinating and don't want to, in any way, discourage others from posting on their results.
My feeling regarding different materials used, is that each individual material has a resonant frequency response (in terms of audio reproduction) that is really what the end user hears. How these different materials are applied is the ultimate question.
My current motor enclosure has extensive use of lead shot in two ways. The bottom surface is encased with small gauge lead shot ( around 3/4", tapped down, and it's surrounding area is coated with a spray-on damping material, the sides of the enclosure have been drilled out at various intervals and filled with epoxy/lead shot). You'd think it would be fairly dead but that really isn't the case. It seems that the shot hasn't "dealt" with the vibrations caused by the spinning motor in this instance. It has "re-directed" them. IMO.
I recently tried three Stillpoints Minis (directly under) this enclosure and was not at all impressed. The vibration/resonance was brought back up through the enclosure. I then decided to use the brass cones that are bonded to the bottom ( the original design) for the "drain" needed to deal with the fact there is a motor spinning in this application. This was the better coarse of action.
It's all about the best way for built up energy/resonance to be drained while the materials used/their "end sound" and the application of these materials that matters, as I see it. This is what Richardkrebs is saying as are we all. We have differing ways to get to the best sound. Ultimately, It will be our own listening biases that make the decision for us. Thanks for the responses!
(As an aside, my current speakers Usher BE-718 have their internal side walls lined with lead plating. I'm happy with the sound and have not tried in any way to put my own imprint here on their sound other than speaker stands.) |
Geoffkait: I would like to know how & in what particular way you chose to use the lead shot in your aforementioned subwoofer project? Thanks! |
Geoffkait: I believe this whole conversation is well served by ones' projects laid out in more detail. This is what I feel Richardkrebs and I have tried to lay out for everyone here. I appreciate and await your more detailed responses. Thank you! |
Geoffkait: So far, regarding your latest response, involving the Arcici stand, is not really, in all due respect, relevant in this discussion (that has been described by two of us, who have posted our own individual projects based on our (own) results), then our ultimate findings. I hope you can see/accept the difference. I'd love to hear more in detail, any projects you've accomplished vs. manufacturers end products,.. not manufacturers products vs. other manufacturers products. If you feel that my statement above, slighted you in any way, please let us know and accept my apologies.
Ct0517: Turns out, I have quite a bit to say. I can see this thread going into another subject, altogether. Should I/we start another thread, based upon the association with the one you started? |
Schubert: I don't know you but take your comment at face value. This kind of goes to my over-riding point of late.
I'm trying to start/have a discussion but am met with negativity (to a degree) and the fact that I let my personal thoughts go out (I had hoped to get some sort of similar thoughts from others), and kind of had them squashed... This is the environment that is the (norm) here, so it seems.
Why is it that as Ct0517 pointed out recently that this site has had over 1 million hits, but IMO, there are really very few responders? This, to me, is very troubling. I've tried to change this but with my socials skills very lacking, I doubt if I helped at all. |
Here it is, with all due respect to Frogman, I love his views and especially his thoughtful writings, his knowledge and the way those writings draw us all in... for the life of me, I still haven't, just one time, heard Frogman state one project that supports the authority/respect, that would be appreciated and wanted by all, (including me) here. If, by reading this, Frogman decides to clue us in, I'd be "all ears" and have even more respect for his knowledgeable writings. If, even after this, the possibility of this would blow me away, I'd then ask, "Why, why did it take so long for us or the newbies here, to finally get some sort of "personal connection" with you that up until now, we all were looking for"?
I suspect, Frogman may have had another life in the Audio Industry. |
This may be off in another direction completely but, (IMO). there is a correlation here to the current subject above.
When manufacturers of lps or equipment exclaim their product is the best or from the original master tapes and the best sounding ever and we then purchase that product, and get a different result, what drives our opinion of them from that point on? What effect does it take? Do you not buy from said manufacturer again. Will you never even look/read an advertisement from said manufacturer in the future?
I can only assume that they, (in the context of their systems), have concluded their positive, aforementioned, stated opinion. I'm sure, at some point, we've purchased a product based on the manufacturer's opinion of said product. Or...after researching a specific product that one thinks may be in their top two or three components they wish to evaluate and subsequently go out to audition. Then, based on that audition, (in the context of that dealer's system), the component is then purchased and when inserted into the buyer's system, and it doesn't meet the buyer's standards, does the buyer stop all further contact with that particular dealer/manufacturer. (These dealers/manufacturers are confident in their opinions in the context of their individual systems). Does this somehow make that dealer/manufacturer irrelevant from that point on, even though the dealer has said it's the best sounding product that he's heard or the best match for your system's needs based on the info you've given him? Does the manufacturer suddenly find that no form of advertising will be available to them, ever? Do reviewers suddenly make a pact that they will no longer review any product made buy this specific manufacturer from that point on?
What I've done is the same thing, it seems to me, except for the fact that I am not trying to sell anything. I'm trying to put out information that others can hopefully use based on my extensive posts, passion, experience and the fact that I've made my system available so one can actually see for themselves from where I draw my opinions. That system (is) my reference. I'm as confident with how my system sounds as are the above, in all of the scenarios laid out above. Without confidence, there really is not much else other than meaningless talk. |
I have re-read all of this again. In all due respect to Frogman, I do take some offense to his referring to my post as a "rant". (Do I detect some passion here?) I readily admit I lack the ability he has to make my point in an efficient manner, but to my credit, I acknowledge my faults and accept them.
This post is in reference to Frogman's read of my challenging him to share any projects in support his posts in which he responded as my essentially saying... (his lack of sharing any projects he's done, being a perceived lack of "authority" to challenge or have others be confident in his postings). I suppose this is one way to look at it. Another way, may be in order for all of us, who don't know one another, and are trying to figure out all of the member's posts, what they mean, the context of the posting members' systems, and all of the other ways out there that are feeding our addiction and how we all translate this information into what is relevant to the person reading all of this. |
Frogman states:... "If they, (referring to my comments above), don't resonate as authoritative enough with you, then simply ignore them; I'm ok with that". Yet, by his own logic, my comments must have had some/enough effect on Frogman that he (chose) to comment, or challenge my past comments, instead of ignoring them as he wants me to do. In other words, he chose not to ignore my comments that he disagreed with, yet wants me to do the opposite of what he professes! Please, someone, tell me the logic in this?
I also love a challenge!
I would just like some sort of factual, informative, and/or reasonable resolution to all of the above, (I hope all of my responses have/will be posted).
Ct0517: I gave you/this thread an out, remember? lol. |
This post is of coarse, assuming my other posts, have since posted, which is doubtful, but hopeful.
In another thread, you responded by initially saying... be careful what you wish for, and I think you said, "man up". Something like that?
Anyway, if all of my posts come through, and come through in order, I think you'll get the (gist) of this remark, as will others. |
Frogman: Is/are/do these posts meet your requirements of being "succinct"?
If not, I'm still up for a challenge. |
Frogman: Your response on 08-03-15...It seems that you've taken on the word "projects" as a metaphore for (our past correspondence). You seem, to replace the word "projects" for, (as you are saying, "change"? Is it not the same ideal?!
By the way.. I sent Steve McCormack samples of the same material I sent to you, (remember, after my initial contact, (privately), you agreed to my sending it... those terms were that you evaluate it and at some point return it). Later you seemed to have mis-read my initial terms! (His staff is very interested in it and requested more info). Some people are to be respected when they give their word/bond.
You haven't had the basic consideration of even trying to contact me regarding any impressions. Well, would you care to share now?
I will accept the return of that material if you'll be as willing to accept as you were to receive. |
Frogman: It seems your "value" has increased since our (conflict). I'm O'k with this as long as you return the material I sent to you, (on my original terms). You then, have free rein to talk about me as you wish. |
Pegasus: I emplore you... don't let your emotions get away with you.
Until I hear Frogman respond to his past, I'd hold off, as to his future praise! |
Ct0517: Regarding Timeter pumps.....with all due respect to Ct0517, the over-riding issue with Timeter has been that they "farm" out their products to sub-contractors, IE: wholesalers. This, in of itself is a major issue. So, in order to get a part or to try and talk with a human,... this takes a whole lot of patience and time. Additionally, you'll have to deal with the (sub-contractors, wholesalers)... (a Major Pain In The Ass) x 10!
(My personal experience had me making a claim on my credit card against the sub-contractor/wholesaler).
I can only hope that Frogman sees this (bit of information) as a positive (change)!
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...and I'm the "bad guy"? |
Manitunc: I haven't been following this thread as closely as I should...the reason is posted below.
If you've read through from the beginning, I found THE answer to the surge tank/filter that eluded most of us 20 + years ago. For around $100.00 bucks, you can have it all without the usual "placement" issues of the past.
PM me, I'll give you the info.
"For whatever reason, I've never received updates to my inbox for anything I've posted or responded to on A'gon. This is mostly why I never respond. I've tried to address this with A'gon for years, no resolution..." |
Aguser, You will really do yourself a favor by taking to heart, Frogman & Ct0517's advice! My 'chiming in' on "leveling" is from 25+ years of experience with this arm. It does not hurt to level everything then "re-level". No kidding. Purchase an 'accurate' level. Don't take for granted that VPI, for instance, has provided you with a product that is "spot on". VPI out-sources their products to manufacturers that perform their duties to a certain "price" standard. This standard is no more than the "you get what you pay for" standard. I assume that now you have purchased the VPI Mk 3 and the ET, you are passionate about audio reproduction in your home. The purchase of the ET represents a forgone conclusion that you are and have every intention of reproducing excellent audio reproduction in your listening room. This tonearm is the equivelant of a long term relationship. One that will reward you by the more time/care/love that you are willing to put into it.
If I had this forum available to me 25 years ago, I'd be a different person. You have, right now, all the information regarding this arm available to you for your pleasure. All you have to do is take it to heart. |
Ct0517: I was currently listening to Nat King Cole, then I logged on and tuned in to your response regarding a female fan of the ET. Now, I'm in heaven!
Aguser: If you're still listening/reading, regarding my insistence on leveling. My earlier posts regarding differing manufacture's "varying degrees of trueness"...
Levels: There is a usefulness and a need for an accurate bubble level. However, when one considers the larger expanse of say an armboard or platter or the base, (in your case/and mine, the HW-19 series table), these larger areas are more accurately measured by a longer level because of these "varying degrees of trueness".
Challenge: Take a bubble level and place it anywhere you wish on any one part of your HW-19, (armboard, platter, base) then move it a few inches. I guarantee you, you'll get a different reading. This is the sole reason I'm posting here. Most people will take the manufacturer's table/it's individual parts, for granted as being true. A big mistake.
To get the most accurate reading, one needs to take the larger expanse of each individual part and then measure with an accurate level. I'm currently using a Bosch GPL3T laser level. It's about 10 inches long, has 3/D laser outputs and even has magnets on one side. It is nice that this level doubles it's effectiveness by playing a major role in my speaker set-up. Just don't get it close to your cartridge!
Ct0517: I think I could be bought for much less than that! LOL! |
I felt led to recommend another (lp). I've done very little record buying this year due to my focus on my tt project.
Nick Waterhouse "Holly". I hope you all audition this one on your favorite way to do so. This type of music just "moves" me. I submit, if you are not moved in any of these three basic ways, you are dead inside! (physically, emotionally, spiritually). For me.. it's all three. The sonics are very credible, not perfect. Here again, it's the overall interaction with the music that's important.
This record was pressed at Chad's Quality Record Pressing plant. I should say, I had to ream out the spindle hole (slightly) for proper tracking. Enjoy! |
"The Common Man"...(me)...
I'm here for you.. This is who I am. I'm an avid music lover. The exception.. (a music lover who enjoys reproduced music done "well").
I've always put my life's emphasis on high quality music reproduction. Myteen years, I was the guy with the "van", I escorted my friends around for all our "enjoyment"! I used to frequent music stores, purveying the latest speakers and such.I realize now,I was listening for the best sound.
Thirty years later, I'm still searching for the "pot of gold" the best sound. I've found that now.
There's a price point... the plateau were one realizes that to gain more musical satisfaction in any realistic/financial way, without spending "major bucks", you find a "resting place".
My "resting place" is with the EAR, using the MM phono stage w/ Telefunken/ Seimens tubes and high dissipation "underpinning", and a Grover power cord.
This, my friends, MAKES music. It doesn't make "audio gymnastics".
Yes, there's a lot of gear I'd like to try/build, but folks, I'm perfectly happy with this EAR and my Acutex cartridge!
What brought this issue to mind was, I was playing the Allman Brother's "Enlightened Rogues" lp. Yes, the very one that doesn't get any press! This spoke to me, to who I really am. Why? This lp has the very soul of the AB, it has the boogie factor... so why does it not resonate with the "public"? This may be what sets people like me apart from the 'crowd".
FWIW, I feel this lp, my choice of the EAR, my current cartridge (Acutex), really speaks to the "Soul" of music reproduction!
The Book will follow! |
Ct0517: I use a #2 silk bead cord that lasts and lasts. The previous one lasted over one year. When it broke, it just "laid down". To me, the word "snaps" brings up a vision of tension that I would never associate with this type of application/cord. I've had the current one on for at least one year. Apparently I'm doing something right! Wouldn't you agree?
Richardklebs: The manufacturers' recommended cycle on/off intervals are no less than 15 minutes. I've done better than double that. My set-up is really a worry free one for years. |
Ct0517: I think as far as our use of "tension" or "snaps" is mostly semantics. I appreciate your pointing out the (thread) above. (One never knows how or when or where some little, but very important piece of information, will come from). As you noted, I too found that the smaller gauge thread results in a more open/dynamic/pleasing sound.
I do remember our conversation regarding the Rek-O-Kut, at the time I thought I'd like to have a second TT/project. I've done so much with my current TT and am very pleased (to say the least) that I now have the extra parts (platter/bearing) and more importantly the (shop) equipment and greater knowledge to actually build a second one, that is, whenever I find the time to update my main table as I somewhat described earlier.
Here are some of my materials I've put together for the (main) project:
(a) The purple heart boards (will be sandwiched using a 3M epoxy in conjunction with 1/16" quasitropic carbon fiber sheet. The boards will be oriented at 180 degrees on each consecutive layer. I'm hoping to have a brass ring machined for the bearing interface that will be countersunk into the top board, to give me a great ground structure reference to work with. (There will be pockets drill for lead shot/epoxy).
(b) I'm kind of "up in the air" still on if I want this structure to be all there is for the platter base or have a separate/second/well damped lower base that will be isolated from the upper base by brass cones and possibly a mechanical fastening system that can be torqued for listening results.
(c) The new motor enclosure,thread tensioning pod and arm pod will be of similar construction, however I'm still wanting to have my motor enclosure top plate machined from air-craft aluminum.
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Richardkrebs: Regarding the "rapid dissipation of energy", in the above test that you described, I have to wonder if in fact it was that or possibly the lead blocking/trapping/redirecting any resonance? Having just said that, I'll ask myself... Where did it go? To be filtered back through the "parent" material a second time? This is just a thought, not a conclusion. I have to wonder, if the differing materials one uses will have a different reaction to lead as well? My own answer is, most likely. As you can tell, this is an ongoing process in my own mind. But, in the end, it's how things sound that ultimately matters.
FWIW: I made my own version of the Bright Star "sand boxes" early on and in addition, just a few years ago, tried a small version under a prototype motor enclosure and in all cases, upon listening, I was not satisfied. I feel that sand traps/stores energy. If not, where does it go? Into the box itself, that has no real effective way of dealing with said energy? Just think of how some manufacturers of tts aligned themselves with Bright Star or even Ginko years ago but now, there are other, more effective methods, and you don't see those tt manufacturers advertising with said aftermarket products anymore. This fact is telling. (The introduction of Stillpoints will go down in history as a milestone in the history of effectively dealing with resonances in audio reproduction. Still, they are to be used with a certain amount of discretion. Just my two cents). In my tests I described in a previous post (with lead/brass & not with a component that has a motor spinning) there is the tendency for brass as a material to ring. I continue to feel that this "ring" of that particular materials' structure is what allows it to "pass' resonances in a way that ultimately provides superior sonics in the end. Some materials' "ringing" nature can be a good thing in terms of end-user sonic return. Think back to the RoomTunes "tuneable" speaker enclosure or Harbeth's philosophy of a certain amount of resonance makes great sound. I believe it all comes down to the individual materials used and how they are applied in a certain scenario.
Others may find this discussion boring, I just am trying to give you my impressions and thought process. I can see that you've correlated your testing methods and your listening results with the materials you used and are satisfied. Thanks for the response! |
I'll leave you all with this "simple test". If you have a component shelf, that, upon your touching it, is vibrating, then you apply pressure...
This makes the vibration go way? To an extent. Where does it go? It has to go back into from where it came, right? I can think of no other option.
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Frogman: I appreciate your pointed criticism and hopefully I can try to become more self-aware of my failings. I also appreciate your willingness to respond.
I re-read your post above from 7/13 and this is now sinking in more. Since, as you say, all of our systems are inaccurate and we are all trying to find better ways of handling vibrations, it seems to me that the only informative way to do this is in the context of our own systems. Therefore regarding a portion of your statement... "in the context of our own systems"... I believe this is (all of our reference') as it relates to all of our posts.
Having said this, It seems to me that my trying to explain what I've done and the difference that was made, was/is probably really not relevant at all to any one else, because of the fact that my reference is taken from my experience within the context of my system. In that light, why are we even posting our experiences here if they are not relevant to another who has a completely different system/room/ear? It seems, in this context, a good argument can be made that this forum as it relates to this topic and the value we or the audio reviewer places on a particular recording or equipment is most likely a waste of time, unless we place innocuous terms/phrases such as... "this may be" or "you could hear this" or "you may have a different result" in reference to what we think others may find from our descriptions of our own findings within our own systems. ( I think this is why I cancelled my subscriptions a long time ago), also, (This may go to my posting elsewhere that there's no better resource than discovering things on your own.) I think my passion and my wanting to share that passion and my findings always over-rides my ability to express these things in a way that others would find engaging and enjoyable to hear/read.
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Chris,
Seems like a great buy on the arm. That pump doesn't have enough output for a high pressure manifold, does it? The surge tank, at this point would not be safe run at higher psi, as they weaken over time. |
Chris,
The reasoning for my recent post was for Uber's benefit as I didn't want him to purchase that package and think he'd not have other expenses.
I appreciate your "warnings" to new users of the mindset required to take on an arm like the ET
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Thanks Chris...sorry to hear about the effect Tidal has had on you but we keep marching on! |
Chris,
The room "being the master".... Love it! |
Eric,
You'll love them brother! |
Jim,
I would say uberwaltz but his starting threads like .."is it all worth it" doesn’t resonate well with my brain that’s decoupled with springs
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