Electrostatic Speakers


I have been lusting after a pair of electrostatic speakers for my entire life. When I was a kid the Infinity Servo Static was the big dog in town. I heard a pair of stacked (4) QUAD electrostatic when Mark Levinson was saying they were the only speakers up to his standards.

So, It was with great excitement when I ordered a pair of QUAD ESL-2912 speakers. I set them up in my listening room and they were fantastic. Even the bass was impressive, tight and went very low. However not the bass output one would get from a big powered sub-woofer. One night I was playing internet radio and I heard thunder. I walked outside and there was no rain. The thunder was coming from the speakers! Not loud but deep and tight.

I have owned lots of speakers over the years. I sold stereo systems for years when I was younger. I worked for AR for a few years. In all those years I have never heard any speaker that came close to the QUAD ESL-2912 for clarity and transient response.

Then one day the party ended. One of the speakers made a loud single CLICK, just one and then back to normal for days. Then it got much worse. It clicked and thumped every few hours. Then it clicked and thumped every few minutes.

I sent an email to the Distributor asking what to do. No answer. I sent a few more emails, no answer. The clicking was making me nuts so I removed the back cover and disconnected the panel, there are five, that was making the noise. All was back to wonderful except the left speaker was a bit softer in volume than the right speaker.

Over the next few months I sent more emails and my tone turned angry. Finally they sent me a replacement panel. Before the replacement panel arrived more panels went bad in the first speaker and then the second speaker.

Next we shipped both speakers to the factory repair center. Six months they returned with banged up cabinets, torn speaker cloth and one speaker still not working!

So my $ 13,000.00 dream speakers have bitten me. Years ago I had KLH 9 speakers (also full range electrostatic) and never had trouble with them until they died and couldn’t be rebuilt.

Any of you have experience with QUAD electrostatics? Some people say a rebuilt pair of the old ones are way better than the new ones. I assumed that new modern manufacturing methods would have made the new speakers super reliable.

Thoughts?? Am I within my reasonable rights to sue these guys?
davidclarke

Showing 13 responses by davidclarke

Thanks Whart!

Yes the LST was very power hungry.  Best I ever heard them was with 4 Mark Levinson ML1 class A power amps strapped into two channels.  Second best was two HK Citation 16 in mono.

Stacked 3A speakers also were quite a thing!

The Levinson amps pulled so much power I had to run the second pair off a different circuit breaker - and talk about heat!! 

Speaking of  old dler drives...  I wish I had kept some of the old stuff I gave away!  That stuff goes for big $$ on eBay these days.  I am sure you know all about that!

Cleeds - They were under warranty when they started to fail.

Whart - Thanks for the Kent McCollum idea.  I am going to give them another month and then call my lawyer.
Whart - I worked for AR back in the days of the 3A and LST.  Such a great company.  We had a goal to solve all customer problems within 1 week.  Most blown speakers were over driven by too small an amp.  The amp and receiver were a different story.  The output stage could be burned up way too easily.  Remember the XA tuntable was $80.00 when new!  Sold zillions of them with Sure M91ED or V-15 type III.  The M91 retailed for $59.00 and the V-15 was $85.00!  

Here is a funny thing...  Back around 1976 we would give someone $100.00 trade in for a  Mcintosh MC240 tube amp.  People wanted to get away from tubes and go for a solid state amp.
The rumor was bad glue holding the charge plates in place.

However I was told the new panels didn't have that problem.

I think now I only have 1 bad panel out of 10 panels.
 
Between the bad shipping job and 1 speaker not working directly from repair I am not a happy camper.
stevecham  -  My glue was the problem.  It would be a problem with Martin to if they used the wrong glue.

rwscott - I need to go hear the  Martin Logan’s heard good things about them.

bdp24 - all good points.


Thanks Spencer

Unfortunately, QUAD is now part of an Asian conglomerate and not at all easy to communicate with.  At this point I think there is only one bad panel.  If this were a normal situation that would not be a big deal.

I have no problem fixing things myself - but these things are a total pain to replace a panel - lots of soldering.  I am going to go look at Sound Labs web site.   
Sbank - very nice of you!

For the moment I have all the $$ I can spend in the QUADS.  I like them when they work!  I am thinking of selling the QUADS after they are repaired and have been working for a while.  Hopefully the new glue will hold on correctly.
stevermanjohnson

I hear you.  MOFI had me ship the speakers to the only place in the USA that services them - it took them six months to fix them.  When they returned to me they were dinged up, torn grill cloth AND one didn't work.

My fear is that I will get them working and they will fail again in a year.  Perhaps I should give Magnapans a try they don't cost all that much.  So sad, QUAD was one of those brands of my childhood that represented something very special.  " The closest approach to the closest approach, to making me nuts"


cjaronica:

I know how you feel.  I think every used QUAD is for sale by someone who wants to get out of them!  I have never see such thing!
I would prefer to just have the speakers I paid real money for working as advertised. 
Hi

I have a small business selling HiFi out of my house.  Here in Maine there are very few options for stuff like Quads.  So I asked for and got the local dealership.  Opening order was for a pre-amp, power amp, and speakers.

We set it all up - the pre-amp hummed, the power amp got too hot the speakers were wonderful!  We had the power amp fixed and sold it for cost on eBay.  Sold the pre-amp for cost on eBay.  The hum was very low but still I wanted no hum.

Hooked the speakers up to Benchmark power amps, 2 mono blocks 250 watts+ per side.  They were wonderful speakers.  And they were wonderful for around 18 months.

Thank goodness I didn't sell any speakers to customers!!

Factory says they have changed glue and fixed the problem.

Mine are in the factory boxes, all panels replaced and for sale.
I have no idea if they will hold up this time or not.

I am in a smaller room now so I figured I would let them go.