Electrostat transparency from conventional speaker


What should be kept in mind when attempting to achieve the transparent sound quality of an electrostatic speaker from a conventional boxed speaker? Is this more electronics or speaker? Or is it really a combination of the both?

In your opinion, how much does placement or acoustics factor into this?
cdwallace

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"The physics (theory) do not agree with common sense"

But the measurements do, just measure 1m from the back of the speaker and 1m from the front of a Dipole and a Monopole then measure at the listening position. Compare them, then we'll be in agreement about How a Dipole really works in a room and what all that math you copied equates too. Please note the high frequencies are the exact frequencies that matter most in why I made my 4 ch. comments (Orions are only dipoles to 1440hz>24db/oct). Which is why Electrostatic Dipoles image overly large and are vastly different in their behaviour to the Orions. SL's experience with center channels is exactly why you don't want Dipoles for surround and why they make better 2 channel speakers than Monopoles.

Not all of us are on the SL train especially when it comes to surround sound! The Orions are great speakers but...

...I'd like to note CDwallaces post said "conventional box speaker", so my rec's are limited to the restriction placed by the original post.

have a good one
Squirrel,

Yeah I agree the Electrostats are deficient to the Dynamics except the transparency part, you can see right through most electrostats...not to be confused with magneplanars. :)

CDwallace

Only reason people tolerate electrostatic speakers today is because they are dipoles, thus they are a functional 4 channel systems or primitive surround sound system (2 direct ch., 2 delay ch. (see audioK's post) Fact is without Quad's and Magneplanars, most panel type speakers aren't that good for the $$$'s charged. As a once proud Martin Logan (QuestZ, CLSz) owner I can only shake my head at what is available now for the $$$.

My solution to hard to position (Magneplanar), fragile (Apogee), over-priced (ML, Sound Lab) temperamental (Quad)electrostats was surround sound. I have the big dipole soundstage, endless detail (due to the three channel array) and full range sound (sub) without compromise. And a wonderful engaging warm sound to the music that is easy on the ears from a fatigue standpoint. Its proven that the addition of rear channels engages (ie emotional impact) the listener to a much higher degree than any other device will that doesn't amount to a gross quality difference in playback performance.

Yes, better than two channel!! hard to imagine but its true. My solution was born of frustration 12 years ago and I have never looked back to dipoles. I like having control of the delay so my Viola's don't grow to 6' tall :). A luxury of modern technology i've grown very accustomed too.

PS: the solution is not universal so don't think some primitive Proceed processor is going to do the job! Like any problem it helps to have the right tools to fix it and there is a right way and wrong way to do surround. Don't stray from the textbook.