Electrical circuit "noise"


I suspect a few of you might find this post of interest regarding “noise” in cables and audio gear. I am on the Board of Directors of Verdigris Technologies, if any interested it is an AI company for managing electricity (www.verdigris.co). We got our start by recognizing that anything plugged into an electrical circuit, not only draws power, but also emits a rather unique signature back into the electrical circuit. The challenge is that as multiple electrical appliances are plugged into a single circuit, the signatures are all jumbled together. We developed unique technology that enables us to disaggregate all those jumbled signals to identify exactly which products are plugged into a circuit, and even identify early warning signs of failure, and we have patents regarding this technology. My point in all this is that it is clear that anything plugged into a circuit carries these multiple signatures from whatever is plugged into the circuit into any audio equipment plugged into the same circuit, and it is logical that at some level the garbage noise is is audible. So I think that it matters a lot how electrical power is managed, and that includes the cables used at each step of the audio food chain. Many of us don’t have the ability to have a unique circuit for just our audiophile gear, which is probably the best alternative, and so need to rely on products like regenerators and cables that reject noise to attempt to clean up and eliminate these unwanted garbage signals.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but our company does nothing with audio gear, nor with residential applications, so there must have been some other reason for this post...
We may run out of air, fuel, food or water, but we should never run out of kindness…seems like that is in very short supply, and that is a prerequisite for me to engage in a positive dialog with anyone, and I have neither the time nor inclination for any other sort of dialog. Perhaps that is my loss, but I wish you the best on whatever quest you are on.
Millercarbon, thanks for your thoughtful response, and I think you get it and summarized my point quite well. At the present time we are focused on our commercial business, and I fear I am one of the only folks into audio at our company. Unfortunately, we have not had the time to look into cables and related audio issues, and I suspect we will not have the cycles to look into these issues any time soon.
Thanks for your questions. We currently work with large commercial businesses, data centers, etc. where things like pumps, compressors, and large equipment do fail, and usually at the most inopportune times. Imagine running a lab dependent on refrigeration and having the compressors fail, or a hotel where the air conditioner goes out on a 100 degree day. As a result, our current work is primarily at the kilowatt level, which would be much higher power than what we deal with in audio. So we do not try to detect things like rfi in circuits, because it is at such a low level that it becomes noise to our processes. But the point and principles are the same - in our early years we could determine when any kind of household electrical device (like an iphone) was plugged into an outlet - residential is just not a market for us at the present time. So there is no reason that our technology cannot be used for rfi, we would probably need to amplify it (just like our sound systems do) it is just not on our current product roadmap. What seems obvious to us from our processing of electrical signals, is that there is more going on in a circuit than just a one-way movement of electrons or analog signal. As in much of life, it is complicated. Anything plugged into that circuit emits an electronic signature into the circuit, and that noise is at a level easy to detect. So it seems reasonable that it can be heard, or smear sounds or mask them, or impact soundstage, or generate jitter - and for those of us trying to listen to music in the best way we can, at whatever level we can afford, that can make a difference in what we hear, and it would seem prudent to have some strategy to deal with it.