Dyscoveries on Dyna, Denon, Supex, Technics,FR,Ik


Dear friends: Over the time and testing/trying different cartridges ( " old " and new ones ) with different tonearms to find the " best " performance on each cartridge I find some interesting subjects that I want to share with all of you:

Denon 103: this is one of my oldest cartridges that I own and I use it for a while many years ago. In the last three years every time that I mounted and hear it I can't heard it for more than half hour, that's why I always treat it like a " rubbish cartridge " in my posts about. I try it with almost every single tonearm that I own and the result was always the same.
Then, I take in count that in all the tonearms ( removable and fixed headshell ) I can't tighten to much the headshell screws because the 103 is " open " ( input to output ) all the way where the screw goes and if I try to really tighten then the screw goes out of the cartridge body ( it is dificult to me this explanation because my English problems, I hope you can understand ).
I don't like to tailored the cartridge sound through tight ( more or less pressure ) the headshell screws, I always tighten the screws at " its limits " where IMHO and experiences there are less resonances/vibrations on it with better overall performances.
So, what to do?, it happen that I have an Audio Technica AT-LH18/OCC headshell ( headshell weight: 18grs. ) that has screwed holes underneath the headshell ( these holes are 2mm in deep, don't cross/pass the headshell ) in this manner I can tight the screws at maximum with out any trouble, well this was a great solution ( along with the weight of the headshell ) because I mounted the 103 in the Dynavector 505 ( similar to 507 ) and the performance change for the better like night and day, now I can hear the 103 for more than half an hour: very good improvement, this not means that now the 103 is at the XV-1/Myabi/etc performance level: no, but now the 103 has a decent performance that for its price is very good.

Dynavector XV-1: this one is one of my favorite cartridges, I really like it. It is a cartridge that almost always perform very good in almost any tonearm. Well I never be satisfied with " very good " performance I always look for excellent/exemplary performance.
I read some posts where XV-1 owners posted that this cartridge is a very good match with the Dynavector 505/507 tonearms and this was not my own experience about, it sounds good but nothing more.
I decide to try a little hard on the subject with: VTA/VTF/load impedance/etc,/etc with out any " great " results.
Then I decide to try with different headshells ( other than the original 507/505 ones ) till I find that with a light weight headshell ( Denon 100% magnesium, 6gr. The Dyna headshells weight: around 14-15 grs. ) the performance was/is glorious for say the least: I never heard ( any where ) better XV-1 performance that in this set-up.

Fidelity Research MC 702: this is a very " old " MC cartridge design. It is an integral headshell design, bulky one ( " ugly " ? ) at 30-32 grs, low compliance 6-7 Cu, low output 0.2mv and likes VTF 2-3grs.

I own this cartridge for at least 20 years and I buy it second hand in almost new/pristine condition. After many years I set up ( last December ) in my Micro Seiki MAX 282 tonearm ( it likes tonearms like: Ikeda, Dynavector, Audiocraft, SAEC, etc, etc ) and for the very first musical note I knew that this cartridge was something very special.
After 20 hours the sound performance was/is formidable/marvelous, I don't have words to describe my " surprise ", the best I can tell is that the music flow easily through this cartridge like in almost any other ( any where ) cartridge I heard.
If you " see " it ( second hand ) and if you have the right tonearm and phonolinepreamp then buy it!!!!!

Supex SDX 2200R: Another " old " MC design with screw open body type design ( like the 103 you need the right headshell ), ruby cantilever and low output 0.2mv. Man

I make the set-up on the Lustre GST 801 tonearm and sound was terrible at the begin, I have to wait 30 hours for the suspension settle down.
This was/is a great cartridge too, IMHO it competes with cartridges like the Universe ( are very similar in quality performance ) or any other today ones. Many people look for the Supex 900 series ( that I owned ) well the Supex Ruby beats easily those ones.

Audio Technica ATML 180 OCC: One of the greatest MM cartridges ever made.
This model ( I understand ) never sale in USA, the one that was on sale was the ATML 170 and 160 ( still very good ).

Till you hear a MM cartridge with the right phonolinepreamp you can't understand how good/great are the MM cartridges. During my last trip I was in San Diego and Norm heard in his system ( I think for the first time ) a MM cartridge the Empire EDR.9: he was happily surprised, he really likes the quality sound performance of this 100.00 dls MM cartridge.

Some MM cartridges like this one not only compete with any top MC cartridge out there but in some ways beat them, yes ( IMHO ) is better that any single Koetsu I heard it, that any ZYX or Lyra.
It is incredible that a 500.00 MM cartridge could be better performer than a 6-8K MC one.
This cartridge I mated with the Technics EPA 100MK2.

Technics 205CMK4: A marvelous MM cartridge. As good the Audio Technica is this one is better!!!!
What can I say about?, almost nothing but: Magic Diamond, Allaerts, Dynavector, Transfiguration, you named: the Technics is at least at the same level in any single sound performance parameter and beat almost all those MC cartridges for neutrality/natural tone balance, like I already say: marvelous cartridge!!!!!, if you have the tonearm and right phonolinepreamp then buy it!!!!
Mine is matched with the Micro Seiki MAX 282.

Ikeda 9REX: This one is a today MC cartridge with a unique design characteristic for a MC cartridge: it does not use cantilever ( like the cutter lhate/heads on the recording ), the design is with out cantilever. It is a very low output 0.16mv, weighty: 17grs, low compliance: 6CU and like VTF 2.8grs.

It is obvious that this cartridge is not for everyone, not only need the right tonearm and the very best phonolinepreamp out there but a lot of patience to obtain the best performance.
When you achieve this " best performance " you knowed because you will be in heaven.
The sound performance of this cartridge is a " little " different for all we know: the inmediacy of the sound and transients are second to none, the pitch/texture/no overhang/tight/fast bass is second to none, the high frequencies extension and speed are second to none, etc, etc.
You can't be near the live music like with this Ikeda cartridge: this one really is truer to the recording audio device!!!
You have to be a experienced music lover who attend very often to live events to understand what you are hearing through the Ikeda cartridge, you can't compare its sound performance with the sound performance of any other cartridge: it is not only the subject if it is better or not but the subject is that is different/near the live event.
It is an infamous bad traker: it does not like any single dust in the LP or in the stylus, we have to have everything in pristine condition. It takes more than 200 hours to hear it at its best. Like I told you: we need patience and know how.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
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Dear friends: Many years ago I owned my first B&O MM cartridge a MMC20CL that I remember had a good quality performance, I sold to someone and never come back to till a few months ago whe I ask me: B&O? why not and I buy ( on ebay ) the MMC20EN with a universal B&O headshell ( very light plastic weight ).
The B&O cartridges are designed to fit B&O own tonearms so we can't take it directly into our " normal " tonearms, we need the B&O universal headshell or an adapter for it: both could be find through ebay ( with patience ) or through Soundsmith that is a good B&O cartridge source ( note that Soundsmith build new modified for him B&O cartridges, this ones are different, I'm talking here of the original ones. )

Well, I receive the MMC20EN and I have many troubles to mount in my tonearms due to its extremely light weight where I can't balance in a natural way on the tonearm. After a while I find ( with some tricks ) a place in my Dyna 505 and start to play where I have a very nice surprise because this cartridge is very good and worth all the effort about.

So, I go a little on deep on B&O cartridges and I buy ( second hand ) a MMC20CL and my surprise growth up because this one is a wonderful one: very good natural tonal balance handling both extremes of the frequency extremely well, when you hear/heard it you can ask for more!!!!!!
With this cartridge I go a little more in deep with tonearm match where I find that perform very well on: Dyna 505, Technics EPA100 MK2, Denon DA407, Audiocraft AC300 and 3300. I prefer on the Audiocraft AC3300 and Dyna 505.

About the Soundsmith modified cartridges I can comment this: yesterday I have the opportunity to play with the SMMC20CL ( Sounsmith one ) and the original MMC20CL. Overall ( at least for my taste ) the original has a better quality performance, near to the live event, the Sounsmith one is more on the hi-fi side it sounds good but the original one is more natural performer.
Well as a fact both cartridges are different at least with different kind ( material: saphire in the original and Ruby on the SS ) of cantilever/stylus.

I really recommend those original B&O cartridges, are really good and worht the effort. Btw, you can find a NOS original MMC20CL right now on ebay Canada.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: It is interesting to know about Bang&Olufsen to understand why its cartridges are so good, this is a link where we can read about B&O:

http://www.beoworld.org/articles.asp

Every single additional hour that I'm listening to the MMC20CL I admire more these B&O people. In many ways the B&O experience is a unique one and I think that we can understand it only through listen its products.

Btw, right now my MMC20CL is mounted in an Audiocraft AC3300 with S shaped arm wand along the B&O universal headshell. It's running at 1gr. VTF, with 300pf and " dead " parallel to the record/LP: well the special shape of the cartridge preclude to take a reference point to see that " parallel " point, what I have parallel is the rear bottom side of the headshell where the headshell has the overhang/azymuth screw. I don't know which are other people experience about but till today that one is what is " singing " in my audio system.

Like almost always our experiences are system dependent and in this MM cartridge subject the quality of the MM Phonolinepreamp is critical.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: before I forget I whish to share with all of you one of my last experiences on my audio system.

Many years ago I buy ( from germany ) a Luxman PD310 TT with a FR64s tonearm ( as a fact I buy it because I was looking for that tonearm and I don't care about the Luxman. ). Like a month ago I decided to try the Luxman TT and I connected in place of the Micro Seiki RX5000.

The PD310 is a belt drive design ( beautiful made ) with a vacuum hold down record system ( btw, works great ). For tonearm I choose my Sumiko MDC800 ( this TT accept only one tonearm ) and mated with the Empire EDR.9 ( that were mounted in the RX5000 and Acoustic Signature TTs through the MAX282 tonearm ).
What a wonderful surprise: it quality sound reproduction is remarkable and better than in the other setups, its figure to me that the MDC800 and the EDR.9 belongs to each other, period.
Well, I was thinking how to mount a second tonearm to have a better know-how about the quality performance on the PD310 but there is no space to make an additional drill, suddenly come to my mind that my Dynavector 505 can be mounted with out any drill/holes, only using a carpet double sided tape could work, I do it and mounted the 505 at the opposite corner where the Sumiko is, the 505 along with my XV-1 and here my surprise growth up because this time the only variable/variant was the TT.

In those days Carlos ( Cardani ) comes to my place and he had the opportunity to heard these setup. First we heard through the XV-1 and in second time through the EDR.9: I'm only want to tell all of you that Carlos never ask to return to the XV-1!!!!!!!!!
If he read this post I would like that him share directly to you his experience about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: here it is a good opportunity to own a Technics MM cartridge: EPC-205C-MK3. You can see it at ebay germany and the item number is: 220141067265



Regards and enjoy the music.

Raul.
Dear Theo for 60.00 go a head and enjoy it till you find the 20CL.



regards and enjoy the music.

Raul.
Hi: I most to say that the EDR.9 that Carlos heard had only one hour of play ( day before I bent the cantilever in my other EDR.9, this is my spare one. ), right now that has around 12 hours and everything improved!!!!!!



Regards and enjoy the music.

Raul.
Dear Matt: Yes, I owned and own too 160 and 170. The 150 is very good but the 180 has more refinement and better tonal balance with a little more opening sound.

Please let to know us about those 4-5 EDR.9.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear Rgordonpf: Well, not only the EDR.9: four times my Colibri ( right now is with Van denHul to be repaired again, my God!!! ).

I never heard about those non-originals stylus replacement for the Empire cartridges, could you give us the link?

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear Fran: Good for you. Anyway if in the future you have the opportunity to test a MM cartridge please do it it will be a nice/surprise audio experience.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear friends: Those of you that already tested/try it the Empire 900GT, 600LAC or 500ID could share your experiences about?, this will be very welcome!!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Blowfin: It could be a very good match but the trouble is that the Technics 205CMK3 comes with integral headshell and your tonearm can't take it. I don't know if the Technics cartridge could be take out of its headshell, but you can ask to the seller about.

My 205 comes stand alone and is wonderful performaer.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Genesis: Yes, I owned the MM AT-25 ( same cartridge with integral headshell ) that was very good refined cartridge. The AT cartridges of those times were a little on the soft side of the sound: not to bright and very relaxed.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Baranyi: I never try it but for what I know/read about I can't see any trouble to work fine with MM cartridges. You could tri it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Theo: Good for you, now you have cartrige spare for a long time!!!!!

I try my MMC 20CL on Dynavector 505 and in the Audiocraft AC3300 ( with its own universal B&O plastic headshell. ), it sounds very good on both tonearms and I did not experience that " SSSSS" . More than the tonearm that SSSS could disappear when the suspension settle down or with " minute " changes on VTA/VTF.
Theo do you have the trouble with all those three cartridges?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Genesis: I think that you can use it with your 507 in a light/medium weight headshell.

In my experience the Dynavector tonearm works very well almost with any cartridge, the only subject is to choose the right weight headshell for the cartridge.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: I think that I have some good news. Like I posted I was/will testing two other MM Empire cartridges that I get in NOS conditions: the 900GT and the 600LAC.

The 900GT and 600LAC show/share many/several sound characteristics of the EDR.9 and 750LTD cartridge " brothers " and if you heard it there is almost no differences at least not big ones. Both have very good tonal balance with a very natural timbre all over the frequencies, bass with very good pitch and tightness and transparent high frequencies with out any over-bright or hash, with very good image/focus and “ live “ soundstage, very good trackers too, etc etc.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Theo: Well that could means that it is not a fault on the MMC20CL cartridge.

Regarding the Empire cartridges I really like it all of them and is hard to say which one between the 900GT or EDR.9, both are great ones.
Btw, you must try the 600LAC is outstanding too.

+++++ " All inn all I have so far enjoyed the exploration of NOS MM carts a lot. And most important, I have enjoyed and discovered new music with them. They are great musical communicators. " +++++

I totally agree and that is all about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: The more I heard it those Empire cartridges the more I like it and like Theo says: " discovered new music with them ".

The best of all is that not only have very good quality sound performance but that are NOS items and with a low low price!!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Gregm: Finaly I found the manufacturer specs about your Empire cartridge: 47K/400-500pf

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: All this time testing/trying those great MM cartridges ( a lot of fun !!!! ) show/teach me that I have to try harder with my MC cartridges to obtain/improve its quality performance and one MC where I already do it was in my Dyna XV-1 ( not the XV-1s that IMHO I think it has an inferior quality performance against the XV-1. ) that is an all time favorite of mine, well I try it on several tonearms: SME IV, Triplanar, Ikeda 407, Micro Seiki 282, Audiocraft AC-4400 ( straight arm wand ), Lustre GST-801 and Dyna 505 ( that was the XV-1 history matching tonearm order, each time I achieve an improvement. ).
From a few months to now I'm using the Audiocraft AC-3300 with and S shaped wand with a removable headshell ( testing different MM cartridges. ) and I decided to try the XV-1 on it and this was/is a great choice / the best for the XV-1 , what can I say? other that I never be/been nearer to the music with any other cartridge/tonearm combination ( in my system or other audio system ) that these days with the XV-1/AC-3300, I'm " shocked " about for say the least because what I'm hearing is really near the live event/recording and let you to enjoy the music ( not the hardware ) as never/ever I/you be/been experienced.
It is something really hard to explain on words due to the very high feelings(emotions that " wake up " hearing the XV-1/AC-3300 wonderful couple.
I have to say that I never imagine that the XV-1 could be so damm good!!!!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Maxon: Thank you for share with us your findings on the 750LTD stylus replacement.

Well, now we are sure that Jico is the way to go!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Theo: B&O MMC20CL: +++++ " In my system, a bit dark character, but I think it could achieve more in another tonearm. " ++++++

Yes you are right. I was playing it in the Audiocraft AC3300 with very good performance ( nothing near " little dark " ) but now that the AC3300 belongs to the XV-1 I return the MMC20CL to the Dyna DV-505 and its sounds is no less than spectacular: great tonal balance, natural timbre, transparent all over the frequency, very good bass and believle soundstage, I like it a lot!!!! I agree with you that this cartridge is more refined than the Empires and yes is " fun " to see through the saphire cantilever.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Dear Matt: Well, first I think that you have to give it at least 30 hours of play, then you can " play " a little with VTA/VTF and if these can't fix it then maybe your tonearm is not a good match for the EDR.9.

Btw, what do you mean with " too much bass ", where is the problem or why do you think in that way?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul
Dear friends: Well this is not a surprise because I already try more than four Empire cartridges and all of them are very good ones but this time I tested/try it one with very low price/inexpensive ( 120.00 )the model: 500 ID, its specifications are great ( for say the least ), example: bandwidth from 6Hz to 35,000Hz!!!!!!!, of course that what is interesting is how it sounds and " sounds " really fine: I don't know how a too inexpensive cartridge can give us this very high quality sound reproduction. Recommended !!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: I mount/change my B&O MMC20CL to the Micro Seiki MAX237 tonearm and perform better than in the Dynavector 505 and in some ways similar than in the Audiocraft AC3300 but overall this cartridge sounds really fine/great in the MAX237.

I think that Theo ( Freshpuma ) bought three of these cartridges and no one above 250.00 and this MMC20CL B&O cartridge model ( IMHO )outperform cartridges in the 2K-3K price level, a desired item.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Impulseh2: I miss your post, sorry for that.
Yes, I agree with you the 702 is an exeptional performer. Normally I use it in the MAX 282 where performs ( till today at its best ).

+++++ " It can be - with care - taken out of its headshell " +++++

this is a " new/fresh notice " to me, I appreciate if you could share with us how do you make it? ( other that with care ).

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Glrickaby: Like almost all cartridges its performance is system dependent specially on the tonearm. Other subject is the set-up that like Travbrow share with us the EDR.9 is very sensitive.

I never had the opportunity to hear/heard any 2000 model only the 4000 and some of the plastic bodies like: 600LAC, 750Limited and the 100GT, all of them IMHO are very good cartridges along the EDR.9.
Of course that are better cartridges or cartridges with different quality performance that match better our music sound reproduction priorities.

Other that in my own system I had the opportunity to heard the EDR.9 in other friend's system ( very good one ) mate it with VPI TT/tonearm and its performance for I what remember was very good.

Now, I agree with you about the Goldring 1042 that is very good cartridge, I owned for 4 months and I change it for the Reson Reca ( both are build for the same manufacturer ): look to have the opportunity to hear the Reson that as good the 1042 is the Reca is more refined and with better natural tonal balance, at least in my experience.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: I want to re-take one of the original thread subjects:
Supex SDX 2200R, for more than a year I don't work/play with this MC cartridge and between other things I just mounted on my Audio Technica AT-1010 with an AT MG10 headshell, well I knew is a very good cartridge but I really stay short about because it's a great one and thinking that a few months ago a gentleman from Europe ask me if I want to sale him and I was at " seconds " to say yes: fortunatelly I did not. If you see it my advise is that get it /buy it.

The other one that I want to comment again is the Fidelity Research 702, the performance of this MC cartridge is awesome/ fabulous for say the least even is hard for me to say which today cartridge could beat it, is that good. Btw, I offer it ( I own two ) to an audio friend that in that moment was buying a Koetsu Coral ( that I only heard very brief once ) and that own the right tonearm to the 702 and he friendly refuse, I know that some times is more important to go for a today cartridge than for a " old " design with out warranty, well IMHO the 702 surpass overall the Coral ( that's a good performer and that like other audio friend told me: " this is the best non Koetsu signature performer ". ) and maybe some of the ones you own/owned.
I put this example only because I want to tell you ( all of you ) that if we are looking for a better quality performance there are some very good options like these kind of second hand MC cartridges that it is interesting to try, mostly because are " inexpensive " against the today " running " cartridges, I know there is something the risk that the second hand cartridges come with a failure but over time I never found any trouble with my second hand cartridges I own, maybe I'm lucky enough.

Anyway, take the " adventure " and find one of those many old " jewels " out there that are claiming for you.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Sirspeedy: Well those Koetsu's stones bodies are beautiful in the same way that the " old " Kiseki ones and we are paying for that.
Normally the build/construction beauty of a cartridge unfortunately is not the main subject on the cartridge quality performance but more a part of the marketing manufacturer strategy. Anyway I like those body " beauties ".

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Sirspeedy: I agree with you.

IMHO I think that everyone of us ( the ones that are whealthy enough ) can/could paid almost any amount for something that we want it and that we really know its quality performance is according to its price.
The problem is that are a lot of audio items where its price is not justified against its quality performance, eample: Air Tight PC-1 cartridge that I heard it in several different systems ( including mine ) and its quality performance is really poor against its price. I read in some other thread that this manufacturer goes out with a lower output cartridge model at higher price and you know what: many people are going to buy it thinking that it will be a better performer but like almost always ( when the item design is not first rate ) a month latter many of those Air Tight cartridge owners will face the real reallity: not better but different.

Anyway, one way or the other everything could be part of the audio fun.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Sirspeedy: A lot of sense.

+++++ " .I've surprised myself often,because there are many ways to "adjust",and I'm always learning. " +++++

this is all about to improve our home systems growing up on our audio " learning curve " that almost is endless.
A quality home system top performance does not comes " free " at random almost always we have to achieve it with in deep overall know how, patience and hard work.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Piedpiper: Overall is a little on the bright side and with a little overhang ( not tight ) on low bass as a result it is not a well tonal balance cartridge.
We have to take in count here that it is a 6K cartridge, we are talking here for serious big money and for that money I want something almost perfect, nothing less.

Why does rave cartridge reviews?, well I know those reviewers are not deaf and have very decent audio systems so : wonder why class A?, I do.

I try it on my system in two different tonearms and the last time I heard it was in Dallas ( one and a half month ago ) mounted on a SME 312s/Sp 10/Aesthetix and here IMHO was really bad at least for my quality performance standards.

Is it a bad cartridge?, well yes and no: it is at 6K but at lower price say half it: it is a good one. Take for example the Titan i and XV-1 both are better overall for less money and the Colibri ( at the same level price ) " smoke " the PC-1 in every way.

Yes I know nothing is perfect and always system dependent and our self dependent and I know there are several people that have a different opinion on the same subject, our audio world is for every one: that's why we find it so exiting.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Piedpiper: You know that the " new kid on the block " always makes an " explosion " and the PC-1 is part of that fact, what IMHO have not be part of it is the proffesional reviewers irresponsible to separate the real performance over the commercial business.

With that PC-1 in Dallas we try inclusive with different load impedance but those Dali speakers never comes " alive ".

Right now that I'm trying to design a cartridge I'm learning that it is not an easy task to build something really better, the cartridge designers have a huge challenge about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Sirspeedy: Yes, you are totally right: sorry for that.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
and I have to add: an apology to everyone that like you are up set about, that's was not my intention.

Regards adn enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Logenn: +++++ " Why the s tube vs the straight one? " +++++

the S tube is a removable headshell design and this permit/help to choose different headshells ( weight/build material, shape, etc, etc ) to test trying to match a cartridge to the tonearm to achieve a top quality cartridge performance.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Albert: You already know exactly what I think on what you posted on your system ( I don't want to start anything on it here ) even trying to help I already give my suggestions on the overall subject.

+++++ " Not everyone hears the same as Raul ... " +++++

fortunately don't because it is on the " differences " where we can/could learn.

Albert, I stop to buy new today MC cartridges because I understand/find that there is nothing really " new " that really helps to improve the quality sound reproduction performance in our audio systems, there are some new cartridges that are not better but only different and the PC-1 is a clear example of that fact and I'm sure that the new PC-1 low output will be a little different but not a better one: why? because it is a similar design.
Something that could confirm that the PC-1 is not what the " reviewers " rave is that you can see many people that put on sale the PC-1.

I already posted in other thread that over the years there are almost nothing better on real cartridge grow up quality performance, there are some exceptions and I can name some of them: Titan i, XV-1, Colibri, Allaerts MC2/Formula 1, Transi V, Ruby 2, REX 9, Ortofon 7500, Insider.

We can ( like the audio industry and reviewers want ) to close the eyes to that fact about " nothing really better " on cartridges and we can take for example all those Agon rave posts on the " almost " arcaic " ( I say with respect about ) 103 and 103R cartridges and not only that but some builders are taking the 103 " motor " to build new cartridge designs: ZU and Magic Diamond are only two examples on that.

There are many cartridge options out there and some builders only care about " business " making on the same model other ones differing only in its output level but not a new real design.

I'm waiting and " hungry " to start again buying new MC cartridges I hope that sooner or latter I can/could do it, in the mid time I'm learning and enjoying not only the wonderful MM cartridge designs but MC ones too ( mostly great " old " ones. ) with top quality sound reproduction performance.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: Talking here about MM/MC cartridges ( new and old designs ) it is interesting to " touch " the name TECHNICS and in some ways give this manufacturer a special recognition due to its great cartridges/TT/tonearms " old " designs.

Several of their analog products, IMHO, are unbeatable till today, for example:

the MM cartridges: EPC-205C MK4 ( that I report on it in other thread ) and the memorable EPC-100C MK4.

MC cartridge: EPC-305 MK2 ( that I'm enjoying right now thanks to its great quality performance that compete against any today MC design. )

tonearms: EPA-100 and EPA-100 MK2 and the EPA-500.

turntables: SP-10 MK2 and MK-3.

it is curious that all those " old " TECHNICS products were designed around 1981 and 1983 ( more than 25 years ago ) that seems the " Era Gold " of Technics analog production.

Some of those products have " unique " " thinking and material design.
I'm very proud to own some of them and more of that to enjoy it with my today audio system, in some ways : something and a must to hear!

My hat off to all those TECHNICS people that were committed to quality perfection designs and made possible to achieve that so high quality sound reproduction performance audio analog products in favor of the Music enjoyment!!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Albert: You are wrong for say the least, I posted:

+++++ " ( I don't want to start anything on it here ) " +++++ so my advise is that stop to post on your system subject with reference to me, I can't see any benefit for you or for any one else but if you insist then I will answer you in a wide and specific way according what happen there, so is your call.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Albert and friends: Please don't panic!.

As Logenn very clear and precise states: the main subject is the PC-1 not Albert's system ( he knows very clear my overall opinion and I know his opinion too ) or any one else system.

As Logenn point out and I always said nothing is perfect and is system/room/time dependent and according the choose on each person trade-offs.

The fact that you and your friends agree on the PC-1 is ok with me that does not change what were my experiences on the PC-1 in five different system ( including mine/yours ).
Normally in a group like the one you belong that things happen: there are a general agreegment on some subjects many times under friendly " presure ".

In the other side you have the Thomasheisig group that think the PC-1 is not so good like you think.

Mobilholmes: I respect your opinion but you don't have not only the whole facts but even the right facts on everything you posted. Example : day before that night you speak I was hearing for many hours the Albert's system even we made some changes in the set up inlcuding load impedance in the Aesthetix.

In everything that I speak with Albert at his place and on email I never " touch/compare " the Essential 3160 for the good or bad, the Essential never been a subject for my opinion.
The ones that " touch " my preamp were both of you when told me that its sounds is better than the Messenger one and even the AR: these were your words.
There are many other things that are unknow to you so your opinion is a lightly one.

Anyway like I posted: in the differences are the answers and the way to learn.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Lewm: Yes, on the MM subject ( and some MC " old " ones ): +++++ " critiques were formulated without regard to cost.... " ++++++

In the PC-1 I take it in that way because that's are the very high prices on the today MC cartridge market but if I put against MM top performers IMHO maybe it could be two " roads ": one bring the PC-1 to the MM price or to carry the MM to the MC price level.

In the second case and speaking of quality performance/price ratio some MM could be easy on price level similar to top MC ones.

IMHO I think that several of those " old " and some today MM cartridges are really a bargain and the best time to buy it because maybe in the future you can't find them at those very low prices and that " price growing evolution " fact we can see it with some MM today cartridges like the Grado and Cartridge Man Music Maker, so it already starting about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Logenn: +++++ " On large orchestral works, in my system in a very large room, I appreciate the added body and weight of the PC-1. On Blue Note jazz works, I appreciate the speed and dynamics over the XV1s setup. " +++++

IMHO one of the strong point on the XV-1s has to do with dynamics and your statement makes me think more a tonearm/cartridge subject ( of course that could be many other things. ) that a stand alone cartridge one.

Do you already try the XV-1 with the SME and the PC-1 with the Triplanar?, it could be ineresting how makes/change/performs on that one.

Could you do it an share your findings here?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Deare Dgob: Despite the AC-3300 dual points it is a unipivot tonearm and like every unipivot tonearm it is a oil damped one.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: This is a very interesting information about the effect loading impedance on MM cartridges, this link comes to me from Maxson that's a fellow Agoner:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/load_the_magnets_e.html

and in this example we can learn that 47K could be not the best one but 75K or over this value along a low capacitance value too.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Dgad: It is a very low weight: 2.5gr. and low output: 0.22mv. Sumiko MDC 800 ( a Breuer's copy ) and in the AC 3300 from Audiocraft too.

The Colibri is a lovely performer.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Dgad: Yes in some build design both tonearms are similar.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.