Dynavector cartridges, old and new

Dear @bimasta: ""  the short cantilever has many obvious advantages ""

I don't know what you mean with " obvious " .

If shorter cantilever could has " obvious advantages " everyone will design its cartridges with way shorter cantilevers no matter what.

ZYX, My Sonic Labs, Benz Micro, VDH, Clearaudio,  Transfiguration, Dynavector, Koetsu, Ortofon, Lyra, etc, etc . today medium to top models outperforms any of those Dynavector short length cantilever models or the ones named wrong " cantilever-less " cartridges.

Today exist cartridges next to 20K dollars where designers made it all they want in a freeland: cost no object and very short cantilever length is not " there ".

You can have for less than 800 hundred ( second hand. ) a 17D3 and for less money the 23R and OBVIOUSLY can't compete with the Lyra Atlas or the Universe or Colibri or the Coralstone or XV1s.

So what are you talking about?
R.

Dear @harold-not-the-barrel : Fascinating?, that's only the de item bandwidth with out any reference that can tell us is a flat response, normally the deviation  is over 3+db. Some Denon cartridges goes to 110khz or Technics to 120khz.

Overall design is the key with cartridges and specs that can tell us " something ". Example: 10hz to 45khz  +,- 0.5db.

Anyway, good that you like it.

R.

Dear @harold-not-the-barrel : Everything the same the XV1s outperforms the 13D as the XV1t too ( and other today cartridges. ) and here we can see that Dynavector  choosed a longer cantilever for its top of the line cartridges and not the the short ones like the 13 or 17D.

As I said a cartridge is the sum of its parts where cantilever length and build material and its shape are only parts of that overall cartridge design.


R.

Dear @lewm : ""  The motion of the stylus has to be transmitted to coils or magnets in order for transduction to occur. ""

Rigth and for that happens it needs that exist some kind of compliance for the stylus track LP grooves, normally through a cantilever that's the way till today.

Manufacturers and audiophiles use the cantileverless expression but not to really says is cantilever-less but to make some differentation to the normal cartridges design.

With no compliance for movements exist no recorded signal to transducer motor cartridge.

Obviously that the horizontal compliance is way critical but the vertical one has a role too. Normally the compliance figure in many cartridges designs is the same but in other cartridge designs the compliance values are different for horizontal motion than vertical one.

Compliance and cantilever length are very important in the quality cartridge performance but the cantilever shape and build material ti's too because we are talking here about vibrations/movements added by resonances developed down there that all are converted to music signal.

A shorter cantilever resonates and vibrates different from a longer one and not neccesarily better than the longer cantilever but cantilever build material makes always a difference because boron and diamond has different characteristics that has influence in what we listen.

There are several cartridges that outperforms the Karat 13D or the Ikeda REX 9 or the Decca's. A cartridge is the sum of its parts: overall design, part's quality, quality  excecution of design and cartridge voicing. At the end a cartridge is the exclusive success achieved by the own designer targets and how he looks MUSIC reproduction by his design and how he surrounded it in the audio systems he used to made the cartridge voicing.

R.

Dear @harold-not-the-barrel : Yes, the Karat Nova 13D si very good performer in stand alone fashion to look for the adequated headshell where testing it found out the headshell that mate it better.

Btw, the first diamond cantilever cartridge was made it by Sony and after that AT and Supex.  Then Dynavector and Koetsu and I think Yamaha. It's weird than out of Asia only Ortofon choosed diamond as cantilever in one of its models. At least I can't remember other cartridge manufacturer because VDH, Lyra, Linn, EMT, or Benz Micro did not.

In the other side, that some manufacturers tell us that the stylus tip of their cartridges is good for  over 2k hours is really a misunderstanding because any diamond stylus tip on line contact like shape starts to degrading after 500 humdred hours. That certainly we can't be aware off ( normally. ) it does not says it does not happens and after 1K hours it's time to think in re-tip it .
Yes, some audiophiles can say their cartridges has over 1.5K hours and still performs fine but this is not the issue.

R.