OK Xti16, so I have remembered correctly. Given the price of the speakers I find this very strange. I would definitively be unhappy with such a situation and most likely postpone the purchase of the stands till Dynaudio updates them (or try to get the dealer to replace the old stands with the new ones when Dynaudio updates them).
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Hi...im interested witch music instruments does this speaker performs most natural..correct...lifelike...tnx
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Raindog031, since you have mentioned several times that funds are limited, my recommendation would be to buy the C1 Mk1 model. C1 mk1 is a marvelous speaker. Also, IMO the mk2 version does not improves significantly upon the mk1 model (if at all). Certainly not to justify the large price difference between the two models, i.e. almost a factor of two. Check regularly www.audio-markt.de and I am sure you will find a demo model with warranty for a bit more than half the prices of the mk2s. As for amps, I recommend you either Accuphase (e.g. E-408/450/350/550, etc.) or Musical Fidelity (e.g. KW500/550). Regarding subwoofers, I too recommend a REL. Good luck and keep us posted! Paul |
Xti16, I did not say that there is not difference between the mk1 and mk2 models. I was just being practical. Since Raindog031 mentioned that his budget is limited and that he does not want to wait 3 years to buy a decent amp for the mk2s, I have suggested him to get the mk1s which (at least in the Netherlands) are sold at approximately half the price. The difference between the two models is enough to buy a good amp. mk1 + good amp >>> mk2 with a cheep amp (or no amp for that matter). IMO it is safer to go that root. Firstly, his room is quite large so there is a chance the C1 might get lost in it. One can never predict the bass behavior of a future room. Secondly, he might not be happy with them. While the C1 have a very seductive midrange they are not very transparent (this is still the case also with the mk2 models). No only heavier music might not benefit from that midrange magic but it is likely it will sound too polite. Raindog031, if you did not check it out already, you might want to have a look at the review I wrote about the C1 mk1 speakers. Some of the contributors in this thread have also posted their comments there. You might find them useful. Finally, like Xti16, I would advise you to not discharge less powerful amps. My class A Accuphase (60 watts in 4 ohms) had no problems to drive the mk1s and mk2s and put to shame a 200 watts Mcintosh amp when driving the C2 mk2 speakers. |
Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. Raindog031, a room like yours, i.e. of almost 27 square meters, will be adequately pressurized by speakers that are much larger than the C1s, e.g. Wilson Sophia, B&W 802D, Avantgarde Uno and DUO (u get the idea). All these speakers produce much more bass than the C1, so if you are unlike and your room is bass-hungry the C1s might get lost in it. Like you, I do not think that the C1s will totally get lost into your room. Probably even in the worths case a subwoofer, placed in the right place, will be able to solve this problem. (I have mentioned this just as a fictional scenario why you might not like the C1 and would want to re-sell them.) Xti16, just because you did not heard other speaker that were more transparent than the C1 mk2 it does not mean that there aren't any. For example, all Focal Utopia monitor models (the Diablos probably have twice as much detail than the C1 mk2), B&W 805S/D, Wilson Duettes (and the list can go on and on..). I am not saying that when listening the previously mentioned speakers you hear details that you can not hear via the C1 mk1 or mk2 speakers, just that via the C1s those little things are lest obvious - one needs to pay much more attention to the music in order to become fully aware of those details. I have listen all models (mk1 and mk2) in the Confidence line often quite at lengths and they all have this characteristic. The strengths of all these Dyns is in the very natural and seductive midrange and powerful bass. Also, I would say that you are a bit biased here as it seems to me that you went directly from the C1 mk1 to the mk2 without much search (I apologize in advance if I am wrong.) Regarding prices, I do not see the point you try to make - prices and or price differences are relevant in the present discussion. In the Netherlands quite a few dealers have both C1 models in stock and they will give a very generous discount for the mk1 plus full warranty but no discount for the mk2 models. (e.g. I have paid 4k euros for the C1 mk1 models I had in my room including the Dynaudio stand 4 stands and the speakers were basically new, i.e. no scratches and had full warranty. On the other hand a pair of C mk2s with stands cost 7K euros. A pre-own pair of C1 should cost here around 3k.) Best wishes, Paul |
Xti16, I was afraid my response will upset you. I am glad it did not as that was not my intention. We both like very much the C1s speakers, plus we are among the very few here who recommend quality watts over quantity for them. Raindog031, sorry for the typos. English is not my first language. I hope it is/was not that hard to understand what I meant to write ("if you are unlike" should be "if you are unlucky", and "worths case" should be "worse case"). Regarding the original question, IMO if one succeeds to sort out the bass (to not draw attention to itself) there are very few speakers (if any) that sound more natural that the C1s. Except of the distortion effects of guitars which might sound a bit soft (but this depends also on the amp used) most instruments will be rendered very very naturally. |
Hi guys, I was not ware of the new stands without the loge. That is good enough for me. (When I have demoed the C1 mk2s the dealer had the old stands and I did not like the fact that the speakers had a different logo that the stands. I told the dealer that such inconsistencies should not happen at this price point. He probably was not aware either of the new stands without a logo as the only things he said was "well...") Raindog031, I remember reading the remark in Stereophile about the empty stands and thinking it was a very silly one (to me it sounded more like negative advertisement than a warning for the users). The reviewer should have filled the stands instead of making that remarked. Of course, an empty pipe will ring. Best wishes, Paul |
Xti16, of course the stands will not produce an audible ring when one listens to music. However, one will be able to pick up some standing waves, i.e. ring, when placing a stethoscope on one of the stands - it is an empty pipe ... That is why I said the comment in the article was nonsense. Raindog031, the Dynaudio Stand 4 are very good stands which also happened to be very earthly priced (especially when compared to the Focal stands for example). I do not think there was anything that really needed to be improved about them. On a different matter, last week I have seen on www.audiomarkt.de a pair of C1 mk2 with stands for 4300 euros, there were also a few mk1s for sell. Of course, I am not the one who sells any of those speakers :). Also, sorry for diverting, but I was wondering whether any of you guys have had the chance to listen the Vapor Cirrus and/or Vivid Audio B1 or V1 speakers. I keep reading that these speakers are the best "monitors" available. Keep us posted Raindog031! Paul |
Hi guys, I just wanted to let you know that I've bought a pair of Dynaudio C1 mk1 speakers. You can find my first impression here: rspkr&1316578197>Dynaudio C1 mk1 vs. Focal Utopia Micro Be Kind regards, Paul |