Dynaudio C1 and Pass amp

Looking back some of old XA30.5 and c1mk1 threads, it seems member vinw and audiofeil had had success using XA30.5 to drive Dyn difficult loads, c1mk1 for vinw and Sapphires in audiofeil case. Not sure about audiofeil's room but vinw's 21x17 room is only slightly smaller than my 18x25 room (my listening position is pretty much in the middle of the room with speakers a good 2 feet from the short wall). I think my room is above average in terms of acoustics as well, based on freq sweeping with 2 different sets of speakers using Anthem ARC.

On top of that, xti, who I think has tried both c1mk1 and c1mk2/sig, thinks c1mk2/sig is easier load. Perhaps I'm just making myself feel better before the arrival of c1sig. :) I shall find out soon enough and will make sure to report back. My budget definitely won't allow me to go up to XA60.5 esp. after buying c1sig and I'm too in love with Pass XA.5 to part with my XA30.5. C1sig also sounds like reference monitors that I've been waiting for (just read a European mini review in which they pair both c1sig and diablo utopia to devialet and favor c1sig slightly but declared no clear cut winner....except diablo stomped c1sig in terms of aesthetics lol, no argument there)

Meantime, crossing my fingers :)

I'm running a 100 watt tube amp with my C-1's and I would not want less power. I personally like the sound of dynaudio speakers with tube gear over solid state.

I had a Dynaudio Confidence 3 many years, for which the C1 was Dynaudio's next generation model, coupled with a pair of Pass Aleph 3s, which again were replaced by the XA30.5s. So the same system you describe is identical to mine except the next, newer generation.

I ran Nordost gen 1 Valhala speaker wire and Nordost quattro pro interconnects from a Theta front end. Sound was nuanced, with tube-like warmth in the mid-range coupled with tremendous transparency. Great dynamics and transient speed. Incredibly fun to listen to across a very broad range of music.

The only drawback was very little bass below 100hz - in my room, which was mid-sized, it fell off a cliff below there, and by 80hz you could barely hear the test tone. I bought a Velodyne 12inch which wasn't great but it made a all the difference in enjoyment.

I think your proposed gear supplemented by one of the terrific current subs (Rel perhaps) would make you very happy.

I just purchased the new PASS INT 30A which is almost identical to the XA30.5 ( a XA30.5 with passive attenuator). This is a 30 WPC class A amp and has all the amp one needs for hard to drive speakers like Dynaudio's. I called Pass labs and they say when really pushed, these amps switch into class AB and can sustain 100 wpc for musical bursts with no clipping. In fact, the INT 150 (150 WPC AB)is essential the same amp with a slightly bigger Transformer to raise the rail voltage about 5 V above the INT30A +/- 42V.

Most music rarely uses sustain demands above about 10 WPC even for difficult speakers. Thats why Pass designed all his amps to play in class A for the first 10 Watts.

I asked them if this is enough power to drive Avalon acoustic speakers (I think they are wonderful and require enormous current/power) and he said that the 30.5 is one of their finest and will drive easily anything with ease in a normal room.

Finally, I think if you double the power you only get about 3-4 dB more sound pressure.

I have sonus FABER Cremora Auditor M's and the INT30A is overkill, but wonderful. I'm going the REL route for sub myself.

Wish I could afford to take the XA30.5 off your hands...Its one of Nelson Pass's favorites.

Hi Rr999,
I do have a Paradigm Studio Sub12. But I'm thinking not to run with it at first and see where it takes me. During my brief demo at a dealer, C1Sigs did sound like powerful mini floorstanders and have more than enough bass to satisfy me. We shall see.

BTW what speakers do you have now? Sounded like you don't have the C3s anymore.

Hi Yeast,
Not so fast. :) I am not selling XA30.5 for foreseeable future yet. I just love this amp.

From talking with Desmond from Pass when I bought the amp (I believe he holds a very high position at Pass), XA30.5 output is actually closer to 60 class A watts into 8 ohm (spec says 30 watts class A). That probably also means 100-120 class A watts into 4 ohm. I didn't directly ask this but I just assumed. One can always hope.

Like you mentioned, my understanding also is Pass XA.5 series amps don't just stop at their rated class A spec. They go higher in class A/B to a certain level if needed (for dynamic swing peaks). Based on Stereophile measurement of XA30.5, the clipping (THD 0.1%) happens at ~200 class A/B watts into 4 ohm.

In terms of current, XA30.5 has double the bias current than that of Pass X150.5 (150wpc class A/B rated), which, in its own right, is not a slouch.

But I think it's more than 3-4 db benefit by going up to XA60.5 mono blocks. One being, obvious separate power supply. Secondly if I remember correctly, from Nelson Pass's "leaving class A" article on Pass website, XA60.5 has more bias current than XA30.5, almost 3 times the bias current of X150.5.