dynaco st 70 what tubes to replace first

Tommy 583, that is a great description of the sed winged c in my amp also.

IF I had tone controls on my preamp(good gear does not use them so I have none) the winged c's would be like turning the treble adjustment all the way down..... dull and lifeless.

I just put in a new quad of jj kt77's tonight... I had one go out after about 1 year of use and had been using kt66 gold lions since.... now with the vintage mullard gz34, rca blackplate 7199's, and jj kt77's, No more tube rolling for me! I am going to stock up on jj's and rca blackplates and enjoy the music!

I have a Will Vincent rebuilt st 70. It is able to use 6L6, kt66, EL34, or KT77 tubes.

The amp came from Will with jj kt77 tubes and it sounds incredible with those. I have since tried gold lion kt66( they sound very good but with slightly less 3d midrange), sed "winged c" new matched quad which has good bass but do not have the "magical" midrange and are so rolled off on top that it sounds like I threw a quilt over my speakers!

I have also tried a new matched quad of Electro harmonix el34's and they had a "thin" sound with little bass compared to the other tubes and had a "grainy" top end extension that was not pleasing in my amp.

All tubes were run in for at least 25-30 hrs.

The output tubes make the only major difference in sound quality or character in my amp. I am currently running a vintage 1961 blackburn mullard gz34, I have used an nos telefunken gz34 and chinese 5ar4. None of these had any effect on sound quality.

I have also changed from ge 7199's to nos rca blackplate 7199's with no audible change in sound from the amp.

I think that the speaker, amp, preamp synergy plays a major role in how different tubes will sound in your amp.
I would rather listen to my old marantz 2220b ss reciever than my dynaco with sed winged c's or electro harmonix el 34's in it. But if I switch to jj kt77's or gold lion kt66's, there is no contest. The dynaco is warm, magical,and lifelike sounding so the marantz is back collecting dust again.

My system consists of classe audio dr6 preamp, will vincent st70, quad 11L monitors. I have dialed in the sound I like and am very happy with my system now.

Good Luck and enjoy your tube rolling.

Just to follow up on the system synergy part of my previous post... I have a pair of klipsch heresy's with new crossovers and also a pair of klipsch kg4's.

I have set up both speakers in my system and did not like the sound.

I have a bryston 3bst amp also, and both of the klipsch speakers sounded better with the ss amp than the dynaco?
Most people swear that the klipsch speakers beg for a tube amp but they did not sound good in my setup.

My quad 11L mini monitors have better bass (tight and quick) and much better detail than any of the klipsch speakers..... but where the 2 way mini monitors shine are the incredible imaging and soundstage width and depth they produce compared to the klipsch speakers.They "dissapear" and sound so lifelike with the st70 powering them. If I put the bryston in the system, it sounds good but no where near the level of tube power to the quads???? 86 db speakers sound better than 96db speakers with tubes???

System synergy..... only experimentation will find what sounds best to you.

Good Luck

I will agree that *most* st 70's will bias 6l6 or kt66 tubes properly, but some will not without a resistor change in the circuit.

My amp has new much higher quality bias pots with a wider adjustment range than stock.... some stock bias pots may not turn the bias low enough without a resistor change in the circuit for the 6l6, kt66 tubes... while this may not seem like a big deal to most people here, the reason some may buy a rebuilt amp is they have no desire, expertise, tools, etc. to change anything in the circuit.

I have been in this hobby for almost 35 years and have owned countless speakers, seperates, recievers,etc.You are on the right track going with a rebuilt st70. It is the best sounding amp I have ever owned and cost much less than many of them. I will never go back to solid state amps again!

As mentioned by a previous poster don't let anyone's personal experience be the end all to your decision.
What works in my listening room may sound horrible in yours.

Power tubes for a dynaco st70 are cheap enough to play around and have fun with....