a, the room size is pretty much ideal for the merlin vsm.
cables to be used?
you may want to give me a call or send me an e-mail about this.
585 367 2390 or bobby@merlinmusic.com.
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i like you, prefer them in larger rooms placed further apart and listened to farther away so the drivers do a better job of blending. with a lot of damping and tube traps, borderline imho. but ultimately not enough room behind or to the sides of the speakers for them to shine.
you asked so i gave you my opinion, remember that.
i was only trying to convey to a, that the room was a good fit for the merlins. i said nothing about the d's. he did call me and i explained both sides of this to him.
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r, its all in the volume and the running length. long wall or short wall will matter little. the room is a virtual golden rule dream.
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based on the information i was given and the volume i would say that he has no problems. i have spent over 20 years setting these speakers up in every imagineable scenerio. the vsm m is an older version and i am more concerned about the cables and that he does some upgrades to them down the road. this will make the speakers ultimately more friendly. the proper use of boundary reinforcements will get him in a good position. the room will have minimum reflections. i asked him to call or mail me so i can discuss it with him. now it is up to him.
bobby |
i like you, prefer them in larger rooms placed further apart and listened to farther away so the drivers do a better job of blending. with a lot of damping and tube traps, borderline imho. but ultimately not enough room behind or to the sides of the speakers for them to shine.
you asked so i gave you my opinion, remember that.
i was only trying to convey to a, that the room was a good fit for the merlins. i said nothing about the d's. he did call me and i explained both sides of this to him.
bobby |
rrog, from the very beginning of my company's history, i mentioned the listening room volume requirements for my speakers. aperez's room just so happens to fit in the most ideal situation for them and i let him know that. i also made mention of the fact that they were over 10 years old and not to expect the sound of our present models. i explained how to best set them up, where to place the bam and how far away to listen. i fail to see how i have been advertising a decade old product for the numerous reasons mentioned above. his purchase benefited me in no direct way except that "i" knew he had a chance to get them set up correctly so he knew what they were capable of.
sorry i offended you...
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rrog, first of all you design the best performing speaker system you can and then use the volume of the room, boundary reforcements and specific damping tools to control the reflections (to make the sound more right). you cannot design a speaker around a specific room because ultimately it will only work in that room and destroy its viability. and last of all, a well designed product has a far better chance of sounding good even in less than ideal environments. i have been doing this for 30 years and these thoughts have proven to be much more right than wrong.
the vsm m speakers are 10 to 12 years old and there are upgrades available for them and the bam. i did not mention them, their cost or what they are capable of giving. i am very careful not to cross the line and "you" should appreciate those who do not as well.
notice what i said in the last 2 sentences above. talking about a 12 year old speaker and saying the room volume is right for it is not advertising. what do i make directly other than offering my help. who knows merlin speakers better than i do or could offer more expert advice?. i could tell you were taking a burn on this very early on but it sounds to me that you have more of an issue with the others you mentioned. these forums are open to all to discuss various topics. the rules are being followed and you must let the moderators do their job when the line is crossed. all posters are welcome as long as they follow the rules. if you do not like a post, forward it to the moderators. i post to clarify issues. what if "you" were a manufacturer and people were saying incorrect things about your work? would you not want to put the discussion right?freedom of speach should enable anyone to post here. this is not a consumer only site. so as marty said above, consider manufacturer's comments as fwiw.
you are entitled to your opinion but so am i.
bobby |
rrog, the op did not ask about other speakers that could work in his room. if that was the case then i would have said nothing. he asked about two in particular and all i said was that this is a perfect room for the merlins. you said you liked the d's in a larger room,i agreed. i did not mention my opinion of how they would work in there until you asked. i knew what you were thinking and i did not cross the line. i never disputed that a product will not work in any circumstance but will it be its best or what it is capable of?i think not. if the op had a very large room i would have recommended the dunlavy. you are way off base here. i think you should quit trying to trick me into saying something to prove your point and enjoy the forum for what it is. let the moderators do their job and if you think i have crossed the line by all means send it to them. do you know how many times i have recommended larger speakers for larger rooms? come on...
bobby |
rrog, you are making assumptions about why i helped mr. perez. my motive? i was simply trying to help him and mentioned nothing other than the room was a good fit. he chose to call and i made suggestions. perhaps he can say a few words at some point.
i love my work and i like interfacing with those who express an interest. i offer my help freely. most other manufacturers are too busy or want to remain in the background. individual choice.
as for you, we can agree on one thing, and that is to disagree!
:)
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ap, feel free to call me about cable recommendations as well. the older speakers are more sensitive to these choices. i have a range of cables from inexpensive to higher priced that would do very well for you. use a single run of speaker cable with the jumpers and rc's. the quality of the cables in and out of the bam are very important. remember to use the bam between the source and the pre.
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btw ap, use wizard's mist and shine to get rid of smudges, finger prints and static. use maguires x to get rid of fine scratches and swirls. these can breath new life into the finish. you can make them look pretty much lke new.
:)
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rrog, my post to you was written before the others were posted. i do not need support to speak my mind. if you do this again and take the discussion off topic, i will report you to the moderators.
no more discussion.
bobby
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rrog, what does it feel like to shoot yourself in the foot?
does it hurt?
"I'm not sure what is so genius about a simple 2 way speaker costing more than $13,000."
how is the op ever going to get an "objective opinion" from you when you feel this way? the op clearly mentioned that the footprint of the d was too large and they were out of business and that is why he bought the merlins. he said he enjoyed my input but it was not my input that made him purchase the vsms.
at least with me you can either take what i say or leave it. but when a supposed comsumer comes loaded with a hidden agenda, who is to know.
have you ever heard the master vsm? you haven't even got the slightest idea of why i have worked on it for the last 20 years do you?
there are one ways and two ways that sell for over double the master vsm's cost. pick on them as well.
and some of the simplest (as you call it) things on this planet are the most difficult to engineer. but when finished they are stellar performers because of their lack of complication.
bobby
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jfz, i am marked as a commercial user from merlin music, as it should be.
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