Don't think my preamp likes feeding signal to two seperate places.


Just discovered that my system sounded noticeably better when I disconnected the interconnects that feed my subwoofer crossover unit.  Simply having them connected, micro detail diminishes. Treble gets a little less extended. Is this what is meant as an impedance mismatch? It's obviously affecting the fidelity arriving to the main stereo amp.  Now I'm stuck with having better bass or better micro detail and sounstaging. Is there  anything I can do? I'm bummed out. The main stereo amp is fed by balanced out from the pre. The subwoofer crossover unit is fed by rca out from the pre. It seems like the preamp doesn't like feeding two things at once. This is a really upsetting discovery. It's not a huge difference, but noticable to me.  Now the system sounds absolutely incredible, but now I don't have any sub bass. 


ARC  LS 17 preamp-----main out rca to paradigm x30 sub crossover------adcom GFA555se (as subwoofer Amp)
 
Main output XLR to ARC  DS450

is this a limitation to the ARC ls17 circuitry? Would the preamps up the range not have this phenomenon? I know it's not arcs hi end model, but I wouldn't expect this from a unit at this price range. I wouldn't think I would have to have this compromise. 

Any thoughts?

audiolover718

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Georgelofi, I am not directly connecting the 555 to the ARC, I'm using a paradigm crossover in line between it.  Apparently it has an input impedance of 20kohms. According to the thread I referenced, this is a not optimal, as well as using single ended and balanced simultaneously from the arcs output. 

thanks for the suggestion, but I don't have quality interconnects to go all single ended.   I might pursue having a buffer made as per the thread I referenced. Seems he was in a very similar situation, with the same crossover unit as I.  
Almarg and atmosphere, you have it correct.  I believe the paradigm crossover unit is 20k, SE, as per my referenced thread. (That user had the exact same crossover, but with a ref 3. It seems I would need to have a balanced crossover, as the ARC doesn't like to have both the SE and the balanced outputs running together. Imho, equipment costing this much should be built with more robust or better implemented output stages. Many of us will utilize two seperate amplifiers or in my case an amplifier and a sub crossover. We shouldn't have to worry about the output stage "choking". The difference in sound quality once the crossover unit is disconnected is amazing.  I had no idea how much I had been missing before.  I will not connect the sub until I can figure out what I will do to remedy this shortcoming, because the bloom and air is too good to give up just to extend the bass. From Preamp to crossover, I'm using a set of 1 meter silver interconnects that were made by a gentleman for me that I no longer have contact with. I do not know it's capacitance. The signal from the crossover is fed mono to the 555se with a  no frills radio shack gold single cable which is two meters.  I would assume the capacitance of the radio shack cable, and the he input impedance of the 555se doesn't matter because the paradigm crossover is acting as a buffer itself, and that the issue is from the paradigm to ARC relationship.  
The paradigm unit is a stand alone crossover, not a powered sub.  The paradigm is fed from via rca from the preamp, which sends a line signal to the 555se, which is used as the amplifier for my passive sub. I do not have speaker input provisions, unfortunately. 
Fundsgon,

with the SMS-1, I just st wedge another set of speaker cables  at  the amp terminals? You sure there are no ill effects from doing that?

Erik, I use two rca's from m the AC to the crossover, and two balanced cables to main power amp.  No splitters used. The signal is split internally in the preamp to all the various outputs. 
So many considerations just to add a subwoofer without comprimising my signal for the main amp!!! Sheesh!

 almarg, thanks for your insights.  Another idea- what if I used balanced to SE converters and used the other currently unused  balanced output on the preamp. Would that put me where I need to be to not have the low pass phenomenon, or would this be a continuing problem. Not keen with the math formulas. I appreciate your help.