Does the first reflection point actually matter??


Hello my friends,

So please read the whole post before commenting. The question is nuanced.

First, as you probably know I’m a huge fan of the well treated room, and a fan boy of GIK acoustics as a result, so what I am _not_ arguing is against proper room treatment. I remember many years ago, perhaps in Audio magazine (dating myself?) the concept of treating the first reflection points came up, and it seems really logical, and quickly adopted. Mirrors, flashlights and lasers and paying the neighbor’s kid (because we don’t have real friends) to come and hold them while marking the wall became common.

However!! In my experience, I have not actually been able to tell the difference between panels on and off that first reflection point. Of course, I can hear the difference between panels and not, but after all these years, I want to ask if any of you personally know that the first reflection point really matters more than other similar locations. Were we scammed? By knowing I mean, did you experiment? Did you find it the night and day difference that was uttered, or was it a subtle thing, and if those panels were moved 6" off, would you hear it?


Best,


Erik
erik_squires

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I used a lot of formulas but a simple one that gets you 'good enough' to start from is 1/5 from the sides walls and 1/5 from the back wall.  I got best imaging closer to the back wall and a little further from the side walls. Start with best speaker/audio rack placement and no acoustic support...get the best sound and then move on to the surfaces.
Hi Erik,

So I have also had problems believing in the first reflection point.  Whatever I tried seemed to make no difference at all. I've tried many times in many different ways but mostly using thick fabric panels.

For years I've always had a nice thick rug in front of the speakers and a diffuser panel on the wall behind the speakers with a panel on either side.
The speakers were usually along the long wall of my rooms...as they were also part of the entertainment system (TV).

In my last house (the one before my current house), the chosen room would not support the diffuser panel because there was a pony wall (low wall) behind it and I decided to use the rug elsewhere instead.  The left speaker (Salk Songtower) was 10" from the pony wall and about 20" from the left wall.  The right speaker was also 10" from the back wall but there was no right wall.  The right wall didn't start until about 9' into the space.

Clearly not an ideal setup...but for the first time I had a dedicated room for the audio with the speakers on the short wall of a bigger room.

Sound was OK...not great...but sounded good enough for me.

My girlfriend at the time suggest I move the stack of records (3 stacks high) from the right wall (near the middle of the space) to the left wall nearer the audio rack.  Only problem was that it was very close to the left speaker (way too near the speaker to be a first reflection point) but I decided it made sense form a practical POV.  

That one change fueled my obsession with the room acoustics. Even though the right speaker had no wall the stacks of vinyl refocused the sound on the left speaker to a point that everything was more coherent...locked in.  It's as if the sound had more clarity, focus and precision.  BIG, HUGE improvement in creating a 'reality' to the music if that makes sense. 

Over the next 6 months the tweaks resulted in the 180 degree change to the other short wall, nothing between the speakers but a rug and the audio rack along the right wall. I finally understood what imaging/soundstage was about.

You've got to try everything...every position sounds different.  I tried so many things but now have a sense of how a rooms work acoustically. 
That experience has helped me set up my current home.  But it will never be like that room.  That room was perfect.  BTW, it also had an acoustic ceiling...not the soft kind.  It was the early concrete acoustic ceiling which has no asbestos.  Acoustic ceilings get a bad rap.  They're the best thing going.