inorganic,
You just gave me an idea. Why not record a piano and some singing in that same room that a reproduction system is placed in? I know, recording technology will be very basic, and so on, but it is still closer to being controlled than imagining what it sounded once upon a time when I listened to it at some other space and not knowing how much the engineers actually fiddled with the recording.
The only question is what to record it on. I guess, some digital higher resolution will be better than a cassette. I will try to do it at some point, hopefully soon.
Thanks for your unintended suggestion.
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A rich man has much more chance of obtaining anything than a poor man.
A rich camel has much greater chance of passing through the eye of a needle than a poor camel. It can buy a bigger needle.
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cd318,
Your post could be in the Textbook of Audiophilia. Chapter "Give me a break". On the other hand, or maybe ear, if everybody agreed with it what other useless thing would we fight about?
Your lower hearing around 14 000 Hz and apparent normal above it is actually quite common and, if I remember it correctly through this fog of years, frequently observed on neural curves. Even if my life now depended on it, I could not remember the name for that. It does have something to do with the perception and some overlapping regions, but I am not brave enough to try to make it up now. It was a long time ago. Even without explanation, I hope it helps a tiny little bit.
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jetter,
What model is your refrigerator? And what vintage is wine? To make sure nobody complains about variables.
minorl,
Have you listened to 2017 and 2018 S560? I found Burmester in Coupe underwhelming. I mean, it is ok, but just ok. Given the pedigree, I expected to be impressed and I was not. It may have something to do with "the room" or anticipated clientele taste. Burmester in Cayenne is more lively, but way less neutral, at least to my ears. Of course, they are probably not the same electronics, but what happened to the "house sound"?
On the other hand, they are as good as Versa for listening to the news. Provided that Versa does have a radio.
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I agree, it is way too subjective but, given all possible options, I would have to go with the one who seems not to care about anything but the feel. At least she/he would spare me of discussions about bare wires plugged into the outlet, magnetic shields for wooden objects, poetry about electrical appliances, and a batallion of tweaks lurking behind a corner. |
The one who smiles and says "Oh, I like this." |
Given that all the music we hear through the electronic systems is essentially fake and heavily processed, it makes it easier to admit the sound you want is the sound you like.
In case anyone is interested in getting the sound an actual musician listened to at home, Dual 1225 would be a good starting point. They often came with Shure cartridges, M 75 I think but may be wrong.
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"If you’re listening to the sound of the equipment then it’s totally failing to do it’s job regardless of price."
I cannot agree more, but some might disagree. I think if you are really focusing on getting the right sound, you have a hobby. Nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, many people enjoy the music, it truly moves them, regardless of the system it is playing on. There is nothing wrong with having even "better" equipment, but it will not make you enjoy the music more. At least it does not do it for me. You may find different things in the recording and babble about it whole day long and that is fair and true, but who has not enjoyed music on some boombox at age of fifteen? I started growing up listening to records on Dual 1225 turntable. By any means, not anything to brag about these days. No fancy power cord, no unidirectional interconnects, nothing of that sort. Well, the thing was magic. |
treblebob,
"It’s hard to fake being able to afford those things, and some shops use this to avoid spending time to explain their qualities."
It happens even if you can afford it. That approach is puzzling, to say the least. I was not allowed to enter the listening room in one place, even after I had clearly stated that I am interested in auditioning something and deciding about purchase that day. No, look at it through the window on the door.
However, I once entered Lyric HiFi in New York City and went through their rooms, from the "cheapest" towards more expensive. It was clear that I just walked in to look only. I even mentioned it to the salesman. As I was about to leave, he said I should check the last room, which I somehow did not notice, with the best stuff they had. He led me there and played music for me and seemed genuinely interested in informing me what he had there and what he had was the top of the game, I think. It was great and, in line with this thread’s topic, it gave me some reference point I still remember.
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calvinj,
That is all that really matters. I think it does not even matter if it sounds natural (I am not implying yours does not) as long as you like it.
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"It’s even better when they tell you that although x costs only 10% of y, it actually sounds just as good, or even better!"
Every now and then, I read similar statements. I may be unlucky one, but have never heard a system that sounds same or better than one costing much more. It does not have to be ten times more expensive, it can be less than that, but it seems that, overall, more expensive does mean a bit better. There can be a lots of listener bias in that, but still. Of course, there may be some overlap on the edges of price categories and different people may have different experiences. Does anyone have any example of gear that is as good as something costing so much more?
Many reviews describe gear as "punches way above its price" and similar. What it means to me is really that better sound became cheaper. It is not that it is better than it should be, but that others are too expensive.
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