Do You Love Music or Do You Love Hi-Fi?


I know a lot of hi-fi enthusiasts who seem to have poor taste in music but can talk all day about their audio gear. I got into the high end audio hobby because of my love for music first and foremost, and this has done a pretty good job in guiding my decisions around what equipment to buy. Don't get me wrong, I Jones really hard on gear, but at the end of the day it's not about the gear but how great the music I love sounds on the gear I buy. I study music and learn all I can to discover new music to enjoy, regardless of the genre, but I am certain that I will not be investing in the latest Jennifer Warnes vinyl re-issues. I also wonder why Mo-Fi issued the first three Foreigner albums on vinyl. Are there really that many hard core audiophiles asking for this? There are so many great recordings that are begging for the high end vinyl treatment, it makes me wonder who these people are making decisions about what to release on these labels? I'm sure the entire Don Henley catalog is coming soon from one of these labels.
OK, I'm done ranting, but I really do want to hear what others think about this. Or is it just me? Is it about the gear or is it about the music for you?
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Artemus_5: Thanks for such a lengthy and insightful post. I have owned several dual turntables. Model number 1229Q comes to mind. This was back in 1968 in Germany. My first system consisted on a Sansui 150A receiver (15wpc), German PE turntable and a pair of wharfedale bookshelf speakers.
I gave a friend $450 dollars and asked him to purchase me a 'stereo system' at the audio club in Wiesbaden. And that is what he brought back. I was in heaven. What a light show the Sansui put on in dim light. My friend was an audiophile. He bought himself a tonearm for $90, and I thought he was nuts, esp since he didn't even own a turntable. So we both come from humble audio orgins. :)

I am not part of any backlash against high end or the people who own it. Normally the people at the cutting edge of any hobby benefit the entire group. They pay for the innovations. However, the extent to which this is true in audio is open to debate. There does not seem to be any 'trickle down' in audio. Marantz, Parasound, Polk and NAD are the well known exceptions. They seem to cover all price points. Actually the thing that most impresses me concerning the deep pockets crowd, are the rooms in which a lot of these systems are located. I think the rooms add much more to the sound than all the high end electronics. As I mentioned before, using components or manufacturing techniques that add to the cost, does not necessarily add to the SOUND.
As far as the used gear listed here. It is often very old. MY oldest item is 8 years old. A lot of the high end stuff for sale is as much as 20 or more years old. Is a 20 year old high end amp 'better' than a new Harman Kardon amp? I am thinking of the HK 990. And if the item has moving parts?
I sit here now with money buring a hole in my pocket and I can't think of a thing that would improve my sound, save a new room. So I buy good music instead.
Finally, before I bore you to death, ALL THINGS are not relative to the final product(sound) nor does EVERYTHING impact that sound. I am going to Austin after the first of the year to a high end store and listen to a system. They always have maggies set up. I will report.
Merry Christmas
The gear is just a necessity. That's all. If we were on the USS Enterprise, we could just say COMPUTER Now that's a rig.
Its seems as if a lot of high-end owners love to listen to girls with long pressed hair strumming on a guitar. Very simple music. Easy to record. Easy to reproduce. Wonder why they need ultra gear.
I don't understand the attraction of audio gear, without a love of music. Could someone speak to that? Maybe someone could start a business selling amps, CDPs and speakers minus the electronics and drivers within. Just empty cases. That would be cheaper and they would look just as good as the real thing.
Artemus_5:

You missed the point. If your are into music, then there is nothing wrong or unusal with speanding a lot of time and money on equipment. But, some people, and I have known several, speand a lot of money on equipment, changing very often, and maybe purchase less than a dozen CDs or LPs. Which is everyone's right, I just don't understand the isolated attraction of stereo gear, without a corresponding interest in the function or purpose of the gear.
"I love music. Sometimes, I think it is my life"

Same here. I have three complete systems to ensure I am never without music in case of a failure. However I have never had a failure. I guess there is some positive aspects of sub lo-fi equipment, besides the price.
Artemus_5:

I agree with all your points. I don't think the vast majority of people buy high-end for show. I appreciate well made beautiful things also. If money was no object would I have the system I have now? NO WAY! My point of contention with high-end audiophiles, is that they seem to think that ANYTHING that can be identified, can be HEARD by humans. Also that high-grade components will always be HEARD. I just beg to disagree.
I realize they also say measuements have nothing to do with how a piece sounds.
I tried to list my system in vitrual systems once, but could not get it to work. Besides everyone knows what polk speakers look like. And my Marantz PM 7200 is no beauty either. Just non-descript lo-fi stuff. The most expensive. my speakers and sacd player, but both laughable low cost by the standards of this site. It is possible that I have the cheapest system on audiogon.

My primary musical preferences:
I like classical, Some Italian Opera, Bop / hard bop Jazz, 60's - 80's pop and blues (delta blues)Some bluegrass and some gospel. Today I received CDs from Amazon: Ray Charles, Oscar Peterson, Bach -Julia Fischer, Vivaldi-Fabio Biondi. and McCoy Tyner.
Tubegroover:

Stated in your usual succinct manner. I think I will do that room this coming year. The wife is all for it.
Merry Christmas
Or a person could follow the lead of the Oracles and just declare their system a 'Reference' system.

BTW, for those of you who think you have heard Vivaldi's 'The Four Seasons', give this a listen:

Vivaldi
The Four Seasons
Fabio Biondi - violin
Europa Galante
I agree with you. On a similar topic, why can't all new releases be SACD hybrid disc. Esp classical. Is the process much more difficult or expensive?
It seems as if most Classical SACD are from smaller labels and lesser known orchestras. Don't know if that is 100% true, but it seems that way. There are a few exceptions.