Do they make a quiet great sounding phono pre amp??

If you would have the luxury to chose between the Klyne 7 PX

and Van den Hul's Grail which one would you chose and why?

Dear Lew, I had no idea that you have any problem to comment

about components that you have never seen, not to mention  

experienced (grin).

Sorry Lew I forget the ''logical question'' : ''why do you own more TT's

than carts?

Dear Lew, No reaction from you so I will answer your logical

question. Your assumption is:

''No x Fx and Gx''.

My assumption is:

''some x Fx and Gx''.

My assumption is true if there is just one member (of set x) who

has heard both (F) Klyne 7 PX and (G) Van den Hul's Grail.

Your assumption is false if there is just one member who has heard

both phono-pres.

Because nobody answered my question you are probaly right.

I made my choice and bought the Klyne 7PX. Alas I find the user

manual very confusing. There are three ''adjustment categories''

but only two ''banks'' with switches . One in front for the

choice of the amplification (35, 50 and 63dB) the other on the

 back side wih 10 switches for impedance choice but as well

for the choice of the dampening of the  h. frequency resonances by

MC carts at 30 Khz, 35 and 40 Khz. The other specific possibility is to

chose 47 Kohm for the MC carts as well. Lew and Raul seem

to like this impedance value. By the recommended values for the

carts included in the user manual the 47 Kohm is prefered value

but in addition to either of those dampening ''resonance values''.

For example (my)  Urushi 47 Kohm + 35 Khz.

However for the 47 Kohm one need to switch nr. 10 in OFF

position but for any of the recommended resonance damping one

need to put the same switch in ON position. My specific problem

is  the optimal adjustment for the , say,  MM part of the 7PX

because I want to use my SUT with 35 dB amplification by 7Px.

But I will be also thankfull if someone can explain the contradictory

switch 10 in ON as well OFF position.

Dear atmasphere, There is no way to know at which frequency

which LOMC resonate because such info is not mentioned by

the cart specs. One is supposed to ''detect'' them by listening

and this made me already nervous despite the fact that I probably

have the disease you mentioned (grin). The confusing part in the

user manual is called ''High Frequency Contour Settings'' but this

setting is made with (10) switches which also need to be used for

impedance,uh, setting. That is why mentiond 3 categories with two

''banks'' with switches. Those for the amplification are easy to

understand in contradistinction with the other switches. If I understand

your advice well I don't need to worry about those switches which I

don't understand. What a relieve! Thanks.

Well this can't be evolutionary but only revolutionary development.

Yesterday I was a laymen and today an expert reg. Klyne's 7PX.

Thanks to atmasphere I aproached those switches without any

fear. According to him those are not important and unimportant

things nobody approches with fear. But the first lesson is that

there is no subsitution for our own experimentation.

Becasuse the lowest amplification ''imply'' the lowest distortion

I have chosen the lowest one (36dB) with switches 7 and 9 in

ON position (the front bank) and nr.10 OFF and 4,5,6,7,8 and 9

in ON position on the back side ''bank''. According to the user

manual this setting means the lowest circuit source impedance.

Then I connected my Denon AU-S1 with Klyne as well with

my amp. No hum of any kind not even this ''low noise'' near the

tweeter. Even my Basis Exclusive is no match for this 7PX/

SUT combo. Whoever owns the 7PX should try a SUT.

Hi unchilled, Our psychology or rather vanity is glad to see or

hear any praise of our own stuff. Raul's praise would imply that

such a worthy phono-pre would have more owners than one

can deduce from the (lack) of their reaction. Anyway I expected

to see some reaction from Dover because he asked for the user

manual for Klyne 7 PX. Considering pretty complicated and

confusing adjustment possibilities one would expect more interest

in exchange of mutual  experiences and valuation. I am very thankful

for contribution by atmasphere but expected to get more information

than so far provided .