Do speaker cables need a burn in period?

That's the problem with lawyers.  They care more about confusing with subjectives than the truth.  

I am a bit disappointed that the non-believers just absolutely refuse to acknowledge science or other people testimonies.  That is in itself a dogma.

Yes, since the truth is never pretty or eloquent.

A friend of mine once told me to never argue with a woman.  They don't use logic and just going to frustrate you.  I don't argue with woman a lot but I see similarity arguing with the non believers.

Over time on this thread, so-called "non-believers" have been asking for explanations grounded in science and rational thinking.

The problem is the non believers are non-technical people and non-honorable people.  They use the word "honor" as a tool but they themselves don't actually know the meaning of the word since it's entirely foreign to them.  Like a blind from berth will never knows the concept of color.

So far I haven't used any language to offend anyone, but for some reason, certain non believers keep responding to my posts.  Like they said, when you throw a rock over the fence, the dog that barks first probably the one that got hit.

Now you are really confusing. What kind of mentality is that? I know a bunch of lawyers and they seem to be quite different in most of the things.

I always heard that lawyers are of a certain type, different from honorable people.  That's all I heard until I actually had direct contacts with actual lawyers.  I then realized people were right that lawyers are different people from honorable people.

Like Jack Nicholson said so clearly:
You can't handle the truth.

I see that you are bitter

At least I am not a devil.  Ben Hur once was told "Hate keeps a man alive", likewise, "bitterness keeps me alive".  

For a lawyer, what keeps him alive probably because one day he may have a chance he can sell his soul to the devil.

Here is why truth and pretty are not mutually inclusive.  Ms. Kate Upton is pretty but not truth since you're not with her.  You probably are with Ms. Plain Jane which is not pretty but it's truth since you're with her.

Simple things lawyers can understand since his goal is to earn money to be with Ms. Kate Upton someday. 

Add Ms. Kate Upton to the list of people you unintentionally offended. Not that she will ever know, but in theory.

I wish she knows. Maybe it’s a turn on for her :-) Do you know if she has sold her soul to the devil? Will she demand her lover doing the same? Hm... unfortunately I will never know. So in that sense, if I didn’t hear a tree fell in the forest, it didn’t exist.

National Lawyer Convention. 

So they have to invent the word "attorney" to make them more legitimate.
Kind of like sanitation engineering.

The excess of the devil will be paid by his children.

The end is the death of the devil.

The devil will eventually be dead.

Apparently the devil got offended.  Interesting. 

This thread has descended to decadence, a sort of la docle vita.

I think I am going to side with the non-believers.
I found out that there is a cable burn in devil
behind of this bs. The devil has been able to command
all the cable manufacturers and millions of audiophiles
around the world to perpetuate this burn in myth.
The non-believers should be admired for standing up
to this evil.

Karl Marx being a communist, naturally he would like
to things that can commune together, like getting along.
In that sense all these - air? Unobtanium? Dark matter?
Event horizons? should have a common origin therefore
they should follow the same burn in principle.

Progress is slow

No such thing. 

It could be worse.  There are even more idiots on your commute. 

A better one would be:
Why did God make snakes and lawyers?
So they have friends.

How can you tell a lawyer is lying?  When his lips are moving.

Why did God make snakes before lawyers?
Because he needed the practice.

Not funny.

I have a feeling that andy2 would disagree. He might say there are way too many of them.

I have nothing against lawyers.  Only the ones I know of.

gawdbless

What's the word if you've been blessed by Satan?

Jeff’s Kat

How do you pronounce that?

If you burn Geoff cat, will the devil come out?

ma prima avea ciascun la lingua stretta coi denti, verso lor duca, per cenno; ed elli avea del cul fatto trombetta.

Translation: I come from the land of bs.

I am not sure glubson is interested in the truth.

I intentionally never respond to Geoff Kait directly but somehow he manages to get back at me.  The guy got some free time.

The question to ask (from my college Psychology 101) is can you step into the same river twice?

In the same vein, can you listen to music on the same cable twice?

 Im comparing mechnical to electrical

Actually there is nothing different from "mechanical" and "electrical".  They are all made of electrons, protons, neutrals and so on.  We human beings are guilty of such categorization that leads to falsification.  Mechanical and electrical "break-in" is just the same in term of atoms or molecules aligning themselves.

Not to be argumentative, but everything you've brought up has been discussed at length here on prior threads.

Perusing the various cable makes out there will bear that out.

You absolutely make no sense.  Are you even considering real world cost?  As I said, where I came from it costs money to purchase equipment and to hire people to do things.  

I suppose where you came from everything is free.  I love to see where that is.  

It doesn't cost them that much at all.

Let's say it takes 300hr to fully break-in a cables.  I highly doubt 300hr is something free.  Unless you have someone and a bunch of equipment working for you for free. 

A little bit of research and time

 
It has nothing to do with research.  It's just dollar and sense.  Where I came from, if I have to use some equipment and have to hire someone doing something for me, it costs money.   No way around it.    

Now, as for those you claim do not charge extra money for breaking-in, they already took that into account in term of the total cost of the cables.  Also I would guess those are only very high end cable.

If you sell cheap cables only $80 a pair and if you offer break-in for free, I think you'll declare bankruptcy very soon. 

Kidding aside, if speaker wire "burn in" is really required, wouldn't it make sense for the manufacturers to "pre-burn" the wire before shipping?

It would cost them quite a bit of money so I doubt they would do it.   

I don’t think there is a lot of excuse for not doing it, at least for a reasonable amount of time, say 144 hours (1 week).

Except nobody is doing it except probably for some high end cables which the cost has already taken into account.  

I am getting scared for whoever you're doing consulting work for.  That is if that's your actual job.  

Oh well ... if you want in indulge into your own wet dreams, who am I to stop.  

What crawled up you and died? Your insistence on staying ignorant of what boils down to some very common knowledge around here smacks of one being willfully obtuse.

Having a particularly bad day?

What the hell is this? Have you gone completely insane? I don’t even know what got in to you? Are we talking about cable break-in?

Maybe you’re trying to get warmed up for a horror flick.
Maybe you’re just on drugs?
That's probably the most psycho post I've seen here.

It seems like a real pain to go to all that trouble just to do 1000 units/year. QED sells probably 1000 units per week or more. If they have to burn in their cables to sell, they probably go out of business. Maybe that’s why nobody is doing it. You always managed to come up with fantastical ideas, that to be honest, anyone could come up with anything. To do it in the real world, it’s entirely different matter. And considering these boutique mom and pop cables makers come and Go as often as a call girl changing her panties, yeah, good luck with that.

I’ve heard that Crystal Cables offers cable burn in, but their cables cost like $7000 per pair which is justified. If your cables cost like $80 dollar per pair, yeah, that’s like a prescription for going out of business.

That NoNoise guy apparent opened his mouth before he knew what the hell he talking about.  

First show me a cable cooker with link.  And how many cables can it "cook" at the same time?  And it will be a simple multiplication really?  It's just simple math.  Doing a quick search, it seems like some of the "off the shelf" cooker can only 2 or 3 at a time.

Also, breaking in a cable takes more than 24hrs like you said.  It takes at least 100hrs.  24hrs barely scratches the surface.  

So 100hrs / 3 = 30hrs.  So it takes about 30hrs to cook one cables on average given the cooker can do 3 at a time.    

If you only have one cable cooker, for a week, you can do (24hr x 7)/30 = about 5.6 cables.  Now that counting weekends.  Not counting weekend, it would be (24hr  x  5)/ 30 = 4.  Good luck running a business that can only do 5.6 or 4 cables a week.  

And considering most audio cables makers are mom and pop operation, I doubt they have the mean to buy a lot of cable cookers.  And to hire some high school dropout to swap out the cables, that costs money too.  This is not exactly Apples where you can do mass production.  

This is real world we are talking about.  Not some guy's wet dreams.

Many dealers offer these services as well. Not much here to argue about really.

I am glad you agree with me. It proves nobody is doing it for free because it costs actual money. I doubt anyone who bought a pair of interconnect from Morrow that cost 80 dollars a pair would pay $30 for burn in, and to be honest, it probably makes no difference if it’s a 80 dollar interconnect. Now on the other hands, Morrow is selling a $5000 dollars interconnect, then sure $30 dollar of burn in fee is perfectly reasonable.

Imagine if you’re QED selling a pair of interconnect for $100 dollar per pair, $30 dollars of burn in cost will go real well I suppose :-)

"Free" is not free. They already took into account the cost and added to the overall cost. Like I said, it costs money to perform cable burn in. I suspect if they have only one Nordost Vidar Machine. I doubt they can burn in too many cables and it appears like a marketing ploy so that they can claim they provide burn in service. To fully burn in a cable, it may take up to 300hr. How many cables do you think they can burn in using one Nordost Vidar Machine? Simple math really.

Now they can purchase more burn in machine but I don’t think nobody will give them the machine for free.  Looking at their website, they sell hundreds of brands of cable.  Hm.... how many of that can be burned-in?  My guess they can only offer burn in if the cables cost north of $7K lols.

Our cable burn-in service is a non-chargeable service and is provided by Future Shop at its discretion. We will attempt to fulfill all burn-in requests for the specified time periods. However, during extremely busy periods, we regret we may not be able to meet the demand for all requests due to the limited connections available on the Nordost Vidar cable conditioning machines.

Cable burn in service "for free".  Oh wait it doesn't exist.  Its interesting how one is willing to disprove oneself.  

I think we are adults here ...

It's no joke since some are actually in high places and in real life.  Not just online forums.  Now, that's scary, not funny.