mapman
13,818 posts
10-23-2016 12:30am
All I can say having read all this is may I please have the 10 minutes of my life I just spent reading this back?
There he is! I knew I would forget somebody. Sorry about that.
;-)
Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?
Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late. Many know from experience that footers, stands and other vibration technologies impact things that vibrate a lot like speakers, subs or even listening rooms (my recent experience with an "Energy room"). The question is does it have merit when it comes to electronics and if so why? Are there plausible explanations for their effect on electronics or suggested measurement paradigms to document such an effect?
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agear OP 1,174 posts 10-22-2016 10:49pm Geoffkait:I'm pretty sure we've heard from all the trolls, now. Have I missed anyone? Don't forget yourself cupcake. You have had that label tossed at you on many a thread. So, for the uninitiated, what is an "information field"? I suggest we stay on topic and not get too far afield. Get it? Afield? Cheers |
oleschool wrote, "No trolling here , as much as i try to wrap my mind around some of the principles, like dark matter treatments etc i find myself bewildered." Dunno no why you’re so bewildered as the explanation of my Dark Matter treatment is relatively straightforward and easy to grasp. oleschool also wrote, "Guess i needed more physics in college . I must admit my lego experience was with the blocks 😬 Dam music theory took most of my time along with being a musician for 35 yrs ." The explanation for Dark Matter is so simple even someone in elementary school should be able to follow it. I thought musicians were mathematical geniuses. oleschool also wrote, "Riddle me this oz when i have seen pics of some of your early platforms there was some serious gear on them . have you decided that you have superceeded that type of gear and your early platform with a walkman and markers ? That is truly a serious question, because thats alot cheaper . I just feel unworthy 😔" Why would you assume my customers have Walkmans (Walkmen?). When you ASSUME something you make an ass out of me and Uma Thurman. In any case I'm as serious as a heart attack. Finally, oleschool wrote, "Also in my limited 30yrs in the audiophile world my personal experience has shown good and bad when it comes to racks , i have found a proper designed platform or rack does improve sound . My two cent on the actual thread 🙏" Sorry, but once I see, "I have 30 years in audio or I have been doing this for 40 years, therefore..." I don’t read whatever comes next. Force of habit. Lol Have a nice day |
Agear asked, "For the uninitiated what’s an information field?" i use information field and Morphic field interchangeably. Here is a summary from somewhere in cyberspace that I think represents a fairly good and consider overview. I have also discussed Morphic fields at some length in my explanations for the Clever Little Clock and the Teleportation Tweak. Morphic Fields: A Summary The hypothesized properties of morphic fields at all levels of complexity can be summarized as follows: 1. They are self-organizing wholes. 2. They have both a spatial and a temporal aspect, and organize spatio-temporal patterns of vibratory or rhythmic activity. 3. They attract the systems under their influence towards characteristic forms and patterns of activity, whose coming-into-being they organize and whose integrity they maintain. The ends or goals towards which morphic fields attract the systems under their influence are called attractors. The pathways by which systems usually reach these attractors are called chreodes. 4. They interrelate and co-ordinate the morphic units or holons that lie within them, which in turn are wholes organized by morphic fields. Morphic fields contain other morphic fields within them in a nested hierarchy or holarchy. 5. They are structures of probability, and their organizing activity is probabilistic. 6. They contain a built-in memory given by self-resonance with a morphic unit’s own past and by morphic resonance with all previous similar systems. This memory is cumulative. The more often particular patterns of activity are repeated, the more habitual they tend to become. geoff kait machina dynamica no goats no glory |
Agear wrote, "Okay, but one obvious source of argument is whether they are the manifestation of fixed "laws" at work (or design if you will) versus a habitual, evolutionary process. That aside, how about dialing morphic resonance into audio? Management of vibrational energy in an audio system. One of my current areas of research interest lies in nanotechnology. Small scale design (imperceptible to the naked eye) influences function. By corollary, material science (the subtext of this thread) plays a role in terms of the influence of vibration and performance, etc." I’m not sure we’re on the same page yet. The argument is as you say, whether these habits of nature are evolutionary or embedded in genes or are they something else, something outside of the genes and evolution? Of course as things evolve so does the Morphic field, so it’s more complex. I supposedly we are taught that certain behaviors are passed genetically or evolve but I kind of doubt that there is much more than a passing handwaving involved with any actual education involved. Yet most of us grow up kind of believing that. ASSUMING that. ASSUMING fir example that information is stored in cells somewhere in the brain. Things of that nature. Then there’s the little problem that inanimate objects also obey the rules, for lack of a better word, of Morphic resonance. It’s not just animals and plants. But I digress. Now, getting from how the whole Morphic resonance thing works in nature to how it applies to audio is going to take some time. LOL I also am interested in nanotechnology; would you believe I have at least one product that is Nanotechology based, probably more if I stopped to think about it. The Super Intelligent Chip for sure. Probably Dark Matter. But I digress. The reason I introduced y’all to Morphic resonance is to show that there is a connection to audio. That connection has been around a very long time, longer than most of you ladies have been in the hobby I’d opine. Things have been evolving in audio, too. I personally have at least five products based on Morphic resonance and many of those products have been around quite some time, but who’s counting. Hey, am I having deja vu? Didn’t I already say that? Duh! geoff kait machina dynamica |
randy-11 103 posts 10-23-2016 8:16pm oleschool - Spock wasn’t trained in abnormal psychology gkaitt is trying to insert a notion invented by the notorious fakir, Rupert Sheldrake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake it was pseudo-scientific gibberish then, and has not improved with age. :::::::::::: Randy is kinda like Eggo waffles. Thick and flakey. Geez, just try to elevate the level of discussion. |
Agear wrote, "My Pop was a Biochemistry professor with a PhD from Oxford. I am sure he is familiar with Sheldrake and his woo woo babblings. He has generated no data, no NIH grants or body of research to support this. He is an apologist for pantheistic woo woo plain and simple. " I hate to judge before all the facts are in but I’d say you inherited your Pop's close-minded brain. Guess Morphic resonance does work! LOL Agear also wrote, "Geoff, did these things come to you in an epiphany or did you do the subconscious copy and paste from chaps like Sheldrake?" Would you believe I copied the paragraphs from Sheldrake’s website. I never said the words were mine. In fact I said they were not mine. Hel-loo! |
agear OP 1,181 posts 10-24-2016 4:03pm Randy: "agear - It is not even theory, in the scientific definition of theory. It is just woo-woo, and utterly worthless." To which agear replied, "It IS fun to watch him try to duck and jive now though. Agreed. The jokes and ad hominem are less impactful when your underwear is around your ankles....." Look at it this way. At least someone in your family got an education. You’re left with a high school sense of humor. Your daddy must be very proud. |
agear OP 1,182 posts 10-24-2016 6:26pm Geoff, your theories, while entertaining, are not helping the thread at this point. Try starting another thread along those lines if you wish. If you recall you were the one who demanded I discuss Morphic resonance. In fact you insinuated I was dodging your questions. You can’t have it both ways, silly. OK, you can proceed with your troll thread. |
Agear wrote, "Sounds like a description of living matter. Can you provide a specific example from nature?" Here’s a brief intro introduction to the concept of Morphic resonance, with a few examples. These are not MY words but they are words I happen to agree with. Morphic fields are located within and around the systems they organise. Like quantum fields, they work probabilistically. They restrict, or impose order upon, the inherent indeterminism of the systems under their influence. For example, of the many direction in which a fish could swim or a bird fly, the social fields of the school or flock restrict the behavior of the individuals within them so they move in coordination with each other rather than at random. The most controversial feature of this hypothesis is that the structure of morphic fields depends on what has happened before. Morphic fields contain a kind of memory. Through repetition, the patterns they organise become increasingly probable, increasingly habitual. The force these fields exert is the force of habit. Whatever the explanation of its origin, once a new morphic field, a new pattern of organisation, has come into being, the field becomes stronger through repetition. The more often patterns are repeated, the more probable they become. The fields contain a kind of cumulative memory and become increasingly habitual. All nature is essentially habitual. Even what we view as the fixed “laws of nature” may be more like habits, ingrained over long periods of time. The means by which information or an activity-pattern is transferred from a previous to a subsequent system of the same kind is called morphic resonance. Any given morphic system, say a squirrel, “tunes in” to previous similar systems, in this case previous squirrels of its species. Morphic resonance thus involves the influence of like upon like, the influence of patterns of activity on subsequent similar patterns of activity, an influence that passes through or across space and time from past to present. These influences do not to fall off with distance in space or time. The greater the degree of similarity of the systems involved, the greater the influence of morphic resonance. [editors note: an excellent example of Morphic resonance is how spiders build their webs. And Morphic resonance explains why webs of all spiders regardless of species have striking similarities.] Morphic resonance gives an inherent memory in fields at all levels of complexity. In the case of squirrels, each individual squirrel draws upon, and in turn contributes to, a collective or pooled memory of its kind. In the human realm, this kind of collective memory corresponds to what the psychologist C.G. Jung called the collective unconscious. Morphic resonance should be detectable in the realms of physics, chemistry, biology, animal behaviour, psychology and the social sciences. Long-established systems, such as zinc atoms, quartz crystals, insulin molecules and muscle cells are governed by strong Morphic fields, with deep grooves of habit established over millions of years, and consequently little change can be observed over a few weeks, or even years, of research. They behave as if they are governed by fixed laws. Cheers, geoff kait machina dynamica |
csmgolf 297 posts 10-24-2016 6:51pm Agear, they are not even theories, they are hypotheses. In other words, a guess. The reason you never see any supporting evidence or documentation for his products is because there is none. No scientist has bought any of them and said "Wow, this is going to change the world!" or "This thing really works." I am not talking six moons or any end users. I mean real scientists that can peer review something like this. That would be how real scientific discoveries are validated. Geoff would never allow that to happen because the fraud would be exposed. Whoa! What? That’s got to be the dumbest thing I heard all day. Somebody was sleeping the day they taught that an hypothesis IS a theory. Duh! I propose the Laughing Goat award go to camgolf. |
randy-11 107 posts 10-24-2016 4:40pm "why, YES, you did check in I hate to tell you but I have a pretty sound technical education, and provide the same for others up to the PhD level and beyond. I have also installed a few car stereos for myself only, so you may have some sort of edge there. You have a penchant for embarrassing yourself in public. While sad, feel free to keep it up." I see no evidence of any education, little fella. You don’t even have an argument. I’m sure you’re lying. I’d guess you have a GED, tops, based on the level of intelligence YOU exhibit in YOUR posts. |
Robert wrote, "Geoff, your springs are acting as a direct coupling mechanism." Robert, when I read that sentence milk squirted out of my nose. Seriously. I will post a more complete response in due course. (Are you sure you’re not Michael Green’s evil twin?) cheers, geoff kait machina dramatica give me a stiff enough spring and I’ll isolate the world |
Audiopoint wrote, Mr. Kait states: - The only way you can possibly deal wih seismic waves is to decouple the component from them, and I'm referring to rotational (bending) forces in additional to the usual vertical forces and forces in the horizontal plane. To which Audiopoint responds, "Your springs are actually functioning as a “direct coupling mechanism”. Depending on the actual materials and dimensions of springs used, the speed of the resonance transfer will vary as will the bandwidth of frequencies across the audible and inaudible spectrum, yielding different sonic results in comparison. Frequency and Speed with springs is complexly related to the mass and mass distribution of the component. We too have used springs in our studies and development processes and have found that there are too many variables in each possible usage scenario; there is no “one-size fits all” with spring coupling. Ultimately, you are ‘NOT Decoupling’ with the use of metallic springs - try another material." if it weren't so funny I suppose it would be sad but let me clue you in to how springs actually work, not as couplers as you surmise, but as Isolators. It all has to do with what I've been referring in my posts on this and related threads to mass-on-spring isolation, which is the physical principle on which almost all vibration isolation devices are based. Mass on spring isolation requires both springs and mass to accomplish the isolation. The isolation is noted by attenuation of structural vibration according to the characteristics of the low pass mechanical filter, analogous to an electronic filter we are perhaps more familiar with. The mechanical low pass filter behaves such that the roll off of structural vibration begins around the resonant frequency of the iso device. The effectiveness of iso increases with frequency as you would expect. The mathematics of mass on spring isolation is very simple. It is represented by the equation, Fn = square root (Rs/m), where Fn is the natural or resonant frequency, Rs is the spring rate of the device and m is the mass (load). If there are 4 springs the total spring rate is 4 times the spring rate of an individual spring. That's why my first iso device, the sub Hertz Nimbus, has only one spring: to reduce spring rate and thereby reduce resonant frequency. There is more to vibration isolation but that's the fundamentals. So, to summarize, springs are not really couplers. They're Isolators. That's precisely why the LIGO project was finally able last year to detect and observe gravity waves the amplitude of which are on the order of the diameter of a neutron. It's because the springs in LIGO's vibration isolation system prevent seismic type vibration such as Earth crust motion from interfering with the optics and electronics of the LIGO detectors. It's the same concept that audiophiles use to prevent seismic type vibration from interfering with laser assmblies, tonearms, stereo cartridges, printed circuit boards, etc. by incorporating mass on spring isolation. geoff kait machina dynamica give me a strong enough spring and I'll isolate the world |
agear OP 1,184 posts 10-25-2016 12:13am Okay, okay. We all have to admit that Geoff is an evil genius and that his entire routine (and business) is a prolonged, Monty Pythonish spoof of the industry. Well done. We are all fools indeed and deserve such treatment. One assumes you are speaking for yourself. I am not spoofing anything. I’m as serious as a colonoscopy without benefit of anesthesia. It actually appears you are simply reinforcing the idea that your OP was nothing more than a deliberate troll. To whit, "Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late." Following on the heels of the deleted thread on the same topic. If anyone is spoofing the industry it’s you. have a nice day |
Audiopoint wrote, "Mr. Kait, Metal electronic component chassis are conductive for resonance. Metal springs are also conductive of resonance. The metal spring touches the metal chassis and conducts resonance towards the greater mass (racking system or structural flooring) via physics, laws of gravity and motion; hence a mechanical coupling and energy transfer becomes part of the formula." if you’ve been paying attention I’ve always said you have to do both, isolation and damping. But since damping the top plate is easy and cheap I don’t really get your stubborn resistance to using steel springs. Anyway, there are many ways to skin a cat. If steel springs bother you so much just use air springs. Audiopoint also wrote, "Ligo this and Ligo that…seismic vibration this and seismic waves that…. Never do you present words like musical performance, musical quality, ‘audible’, decay, sustain, rhythm, dynamics, harmonics, response time… you know - words that are truly meaningful and understandable to everyone here - words that listeners relate to." LIGO is a favorite example of mine for why seismic vibration is so important for optics and electronics. I’m surprised you haven’t caught on yet. I’ll leave it to you to use the musical instrument metaphor, incorrectly much of the time, I might add. I actually think most of those nouns you refer to in the above paragraph are quite stale and overused. audiopoints then wrote, "Mr. Kait states: - It’s the same concept that audiophiles use to prevent seismic type vibration from interfering with laser assmblies, tonearms, stereo cartridges, printed circuit boards, etc. by incorporating mass on spring isolation. AGAIN: You have yet to respond, answer or clarify or prove to us; how inaudible seismic waves affect the performance of a stereo system in either a standard or more efficient listening environment, nor have you provided any indication as to how such waves have such a dramatic effect on the ‘audible performance’ and/or musical quality of playback equipment when mechanically grounded." When you say I haven’t PROVED how seismic vibrations or seismic forces affect audio performance I would say it’s not really my job to prove it. I’m only describing what seismic forces are, what produces them, how they affect optics and physical objects and electronics. I also provided you with examples of audiophile seismic isolation, including my own devices. Vibraplane has sold something like 10,000 units since being introduced 20 years ago to high end audio. I won’t say that’s PROOF, but it is evidence that something’s going on. Something that you for some reason appear to be completely unaware of, albeit blissfully. You keep saying seismic waves. Not sure what you have in mind, but in reality they are seismic (I.e. Low frequency) vibrations which produce forces. You know, forces capable of moving something. They are waves too, but that is kind of beside the point. Next, audiopoint asked, "Do inaudible seismic waves affect the performance of musical instruments in some “audible” way that the world is not aware of?" Honestly I have no idea. Nest, audiopoint asked, "Do these ‘inaudible’ seismic waves that are present every minute of every day in our lives result in any detrimental “audible” effects?" Seismic forces/vibrations are present 24/7 due to (as I’ve stated repeatedly) Earth crust motion, traffic, wind, ocean waves action, the mechanical feedback of subwoofers, etc. Thus, isolating audio components improves performance all things being equal. You should realize we are way behind the point of questioning whether vibration isolation works for audio, I mean unless you’ve been living in a cave somewhere. Finally, audiopoint added the caveat, The KEY word here is ‘AUDIBLE’ which is the most important word to anyone involved in music and/or sound reproduction. Again, we are way beyond the point, at least as far as high end audio is concerned, of having ask whether seismic vibration isolation is AUDIBLE. We are also way beyond the point of having to ask if quantum mechanics is REAL or if black holes are REAL. But I believe no man should be left behind. ;-) Have a nice day, Geoff Kait machina dynamica We do Artificial Atoms Right |
Oleschool wrote, Geoff, i have read countless remarks over numerous forums about your car stereo installation and countless people have called you a scam artist time and time again . Not me!" Uh, you don’t seem to have any trouble repeating ithe remarks, do you? Better lay off the sauce. I have never installed a car stereo in my life. Hel-loo! |
mapman 13,822 posts 10-25-2016 2:03pm How about shorter responses so fewer words to read before realizing there’s nothing relevant to the topic there? Also go easy on the hypotheses. Those actually take some work and effort in order to gain support. Although maybe not as much in these parts as elsewhere perhaps. That would explain why certain roosters choose to roost in these parts. Moopman, I can certainly understand why you would like to insulate yourself into this thread as some sort of facilitator or moderator since you have zero to say, pro, con or otherwise but are desperate to build up your post count. As far as I’m concerned you should probably find the closest EXIT. You’re not an engineer but you pretend to be one on audio forums. The pseudo psychology is not welcome either. have a nice day |
randy-11 123 posts 10-25-2016 9:21pm who makes this? http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina41.htm here are some fans: http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina41.htm ........................ The second link should be http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina37.htm tally ho! |
mapman 13,823 posts 10-25-2016 5:27pm geoofkait, Actually I and many others have my opinions just like you do. The difference is I don’t insist to others mine are in fact true with nothing but words to back it up. You do. All the time. Running ones mouth about science is very easy. You do that well Its also very lazy. Words alone prove nothing. Of course you know all that already. Just summarizing..... oh, shaddup! |
Oleschool wrote, "Geoff as you so beautifully tried to insult me earlier,if you knew me i doubt that would happen . But for some reason you portray yourself as a "guru" when i have not read one positive thing from anyone in any forum anywhere . What i have heard is you install car stereos and you have numerous complaints against you from your "customers" . I asked about your "springs" for under my subs , your response was along the lines of thats a good idea . Then proceeded to say you dont sell to the members here . Huh? I can say that during the night i did have a vision of a walkman placed on a cutting board with broken glass ,skully and molder were there too .." Guess it just shows you shouldn’t believe everything you read on the Internet as I have no idea what you’re talking about. Numerous complaints from my customers? Install car stereos? Are you drunk? Inhaled too many welding flux fumes? have a nice day |
randy-11 126 posts 10-26-2016 2:18am http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Machina-Dynamica/Falls-Church-Maryland-22042/Machina-Dynamica-False-cl.... ripoffreport.com itself is a ripoff. Anyone can libel anyone on that website. I make no false claims, Poopsie. |
randy-11 127 posts 10-26-2016 2:22am http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=2228 Obviously on the Internet anyone is free to say almost anything. Now, I’m not saying everyone who takes the time to write such garbage is a pinhead. What next? Are you going to turn me into the FCC? |
randy-11 129 posts 10-26-2016 2:30am "What Acts are Considered Deceptive Trade Practices in Virginia? The Virginia Consumer Protection Act lists more than 50 prohibited practices involving advertising, sales tactics, disclosures, return policies, and other aspects of commercial trade. These include, but are not limited to: Misrepresenting that goods or services have certain quantities, characteristics, ingredients, uses, or benefits." Lil Randi, keep repeating to yourself: "I'm not a pinhead." |
And furthermore, (from Internet analysis of the doctoring charge by Dems) "So why doesn’t the Clinton campaign provide some evidence that emails have been doctored, like publishing original emails? Experts pointed to political calculation. By saying the emails may be inaccurate generally, the campaign can plausibly deny certain facts that the emails reveal. If they offer proof that a particular leaked email is fake, however, that risks giving the impression that any emails they do not refute are accurate. Or they just might not want the original email to become public for any number of reasons. "It boxes the campaign into a bad spot," _______ said." cheers |
mapman 13,828 posts 10-26-2016 5:19pm PRoblem with Wikileaks seems to be that the sources are questionable and nothing to assure material is authentic. There is nothing to prevent material obtained from being doctored and how material is obtained seems very shady . That’s precisely what the Dems are counting on, that people will think the emails have been doctored. Unfortunately it has been demonstrated they have not been doctored. Brazil at the DNC found out the hard way when she tried the "it's been doctored" defense several days ago, unsuccessfully. |
agear OP 1,188 posts 10-26-2016 7:45pm And furthermore, (from Internet analysis of the doctoring charge by Dems) "So why doesn’t the Clinton campaign provide some evidence that emails have been doctored, like publishing original emails? Experts pointed to political calculation. By saying the emails may be inaccurate generally, the campaign can plausibly deny certain facts that the emails reveal. If they offer proof that a particular leaked email is fake, however, that risks giving the impression that any emails they do not refute are accurate. Or they just might not want the original email to become public for any number of reasons. "It boxes the campaign into a bad spot," _______ said." cheers Never mind the fact that a public server was in the mix....;) not sure what you’re referring to. Clinton’s server was a private server set up by the guy that refused to provide testimony to the investigating committee. The issue is that her private server was not secure. AND that there were classified emails on the server. Hel-loo! |
OK, back to business. A brief survey of vibration isolation and coupling devices by Galen Audio is linked below. Note that Golden Sound DH Cones which are the extremely hard NASA grade ceramic cones are mis-identified as from DH Labs. Also notet that the Galen Audio survey is by no means complete as there are many important isolation devices missing, including but not limited to Vibraplane, Minus K (negative stiffness), Symposium, Halcyonics, the new Townshend iso devices, Shun Mook Diamond Resonators, bicycle inner tube, an example of constrained layer damping device, an example of mechanical (steel) spring based device and Mapleshade’s system of air dried Maple plate and brass cones. The survey does not consider hybrid solutions such as spring and roller bearing combo, dual layer mass-spring devices. https://www.gcaudio.com/templates/isolation%20devices3.html cheers, Geoff Kait |
randy-11 142 posts 10-27-2016 3:17pm I’d use laser interferometry or at least a vibrometer to assess the actual movement of the stands and at high volume on a variety of music and frequencies. THEN, I’d use a driver to force the particular electronic components at those vibrations in the x,y, and z planes at greater amplitudes than found while listening to be sure. ............................... That’s nice but the OP is asking how you would measure the audio performance. Anyone can measure the relative motion. All you need to do that is a glass of water. Then Randy-11 wrote, in his best fifth grade grammar, "you turn, geoff" I’ve already described why I think it’s fruitless to pursue the whole measurement thing for iso devices. Were you sleeping? |
agear OP 1,191 posts 10-27-2016 12:44pm Geoff, you are an engineer. How would you propose measuring the results of said products? We’ve already been through this. I’ve already answered this question. At least a couple times. Since you're so enamored of this question why don't you tell us how you would measure it. Cheers |
Quick interrupt! I just located one of the more outrageous accusations that your humble scribe has run across lo these many years. This one is actually better, and funnier, in my opinion, than the relatively mundane accusations Randy-11 posted the other day. from somewhere in cyberspace, "The creator of "tweaks" such as the "Teleportation Tweak" tells a critic to kill himself on on the ___________ forum. Other users accuse the critic of being brainwashed by soviets and site admins don’t seem to mind." cheers |
prdprez 120 posts 10-27-2016 7:51pm "I can’t tell you how funny it is that you posted this RIGHT NOW. As I forced my way through the entire thread all I could think was.... This is just a giant circle jerk of con men. How very appropriate of you to confirm it! Thank you!" More like a confab of trolls, prudzel. I’ve been Numero Uno here for like forever. Hel-loo! What’s all the rumpus, is this Revenge of the Nerds? have a nice day |
agear OP 1,192 posts 10-27-2016 7:30pm Geoffkait: We’ve already been through this. I’ve already answered this question. At least a couple times. Since you’re so enamored of this question why don’t you tell us how you would measure it. agear replied, "since the previous iteration of this thread got flushed, humor us with another attempted answer (or not)." Has your memory failed? Why don’t you humor us with what I said? Then agear opined, "I myself would approach it this way: invite Deepak Chopra and Rupert Sheldrake (what a name) over. I would have them sit in a circle on chairs isolated by springs (like something out of Austin Powers....yeah baby!) and around us would be a drum circle going full bore. We would whip ourselves in a pagan frenzy like the projects of Baal and then dive into whatever vortex of morphic resonance appeared. Once the ride was over, my knowledge of the question at hand would be complete, and I could report back with a meaningful answer." If I were you I would seriously going back to whatever backwater school you attended, assuming you even went to school, which I seriously doubt, and demand your money back. Education is what’s left when you’ve forgotten everything you supposedly learned in school. I hate to judge before all the facts are in but it would appear being a troll is about all that’s left for you. |
Pretzel wrote, "Geoff, I honestly can’t get a hold on whether you are a mad genius scientist or a total loon. But what I do know is that you are a MASTER troll. And I love that! The fact that these other people keep engaging with you is total entertainment." These people that keep engaging me? Are you looking in the mirror? then prudzel wrote, "BTW, got a notification that Andrew replied here. Unfortunately, it seems to have been removed before I could actually see it. Juicy. Then prudzel wrote, "Too bad. I’ve noticed a distinct pattern with that guy and I think he’s not being totally upfront with exactly who he is. I think a little disclosure is in order." I'm intrigued. ;-) |
agear OP 1,193 posts 10-27-2016 9:32pm I attended the same backwater institution you apparently did Dilbert. You can verify the two degrees I received there by calling the registrar if you like. I believe you. What were your degrees, Remedial English and Science for Beginners? Maybe your powers of memory are failing you, but you have used that same tired Einstein quote on innumerable threads. Time for some new material. As for education, it only begins at the feet of Chopra and Sheldrake as they beckon us into the seething cauldron of morphic resonance flowing outwards from some epicenter of cosmic circle jerking. There it is! English Major! If I can make an observation: it's not really that unusual for audiophiles to make fun of things that are new to them or things they do not or cannot understand. ;-) |
theaudiotweak The fact that the the isolators damp the cabinet from above also means they damp the the voice coils.. Think what that means in terms of energy projected or energy lost. Tom Not sure what you mean. In the ordinary meaning of the word, isolation is not interchangeable with the word damping. And when you say the Isolators damp the cabinet from above I’m afraid you lost me. The only speaker Isolators I’m aware of are used below the speakers. What are you referring to? Help! cheers |
mapman 13,830 posts 10-28-2016 2:25pm Very entertaining thread along the lines that sports fans might find WWE entertaining. More sniping from the Peanut Galley. As usual no content. But he’s up to almost 14,000 posts, folks. That’s gotta be worth something. By the way this thread seems like a good place to show off your engineering acumen. One can't help wondering, what's the big holdup? Lol have a nice day |
agear OP 1,197 posts 10-28-2016 9:32am Someone wrote: Max Townshend uses an oscilloscope to display the effectiveness of his Seismic Isolators in a video viewable on You Tube. He gives a rap to the side of a speaker enclosure spiked to a concrete floor, then again with the speaker on his Isolators, the vibrations/resonance of the enclosure visible on the scope in both instances. The Seismic Isolators apparently not only prevent floor vibrations from entering a speaker enclosure, but also provide either damping of that enclosure or a pathway for the evacuation of vibration. I need to watch it again, as can you. Max also does a demonstration on a table top, displaying other capabilities of his Isolators. Good stuff, but not cheap! to which agear replied, "A deconstruction of Townsend (and by association Kait) from an actual Seismologist is pending. Should be a fun read. It will add actual meaningful data to the thread." Geez, you guys have been threatening to send in the seismologist for months. It's actually a little too late as it appears you guys don't even know the difference between isolation and damping. Besides Townshend and I between us have more than 40 years of experience in vibration isolation. Only a fool would enter the fray at this point but I guess you guys are desperate so let er rip! Lol |
mapman 13,832 posts 10-28-2016 3:17pm G also you can go back and study my posts over the years that you are obsessed with. I've commented on topics related to this one many times. I really can't waste anymore time trying to have a constructive conversation with you. You call this trying to have a constructive conversation? Are you crazy? |
theaudiotweak 1,387 posts 10-28-2016 8:46am These products damp all motion..they damp the cabinet motion and they also damp the motion of the voice coil which is attached to the spider and cone and basket which is attached to the baffle. Tom Earth to Major Tom, if you’re referring to isolation devices that’s simply untrue. But I confess I’m not sure what the heck you’re talking about even though you’ve mentioned it at least 3 times. Help! Help! |