Disappointment with Pass Labs - I'm looking for something else


Hello, I am new to this forum and my mother tongue is not English, so please forgive me if I make mistakes as I use a translator.

I recently bought an XA30.8 and an XP12. I was very happy but as time went by I began to not feel comfortable with the sound.
After doing many tests, I find that the XA30.8 sounds very very sweet but actually too much. I find it to be a loosely defined amp, somewhat muddy and lacks a lot of air and grip. The soundstage is very closed.

The XP-12 is the worst of the two. It is a previous that removes a lot of resolution and information, without transient attacks and sunken mid frequencies. Instead it brings warmth.

Has anyone of you found the same?

If you ask me, I have a Klipsch Cornwall and a dCS BArtok.

Now I want a capable amp, forceful, something warm, decisive, airy and with a great soundstage.

At first I thought of changing my XA30.8 for X250.8, and changing the XP-12 for a second-hand Audio Research Ref5. I am afraid of this change and continue with Pass, since I can go back to the same thing a bit.

On the other hand I have thought of going for a Luxman 900 combo, since it has very good reviews and from what I have read it could be the winning ticket.
opm

Showing 1 response by rauliruegas

Dear @opm :  I agree with all those owners/gentlemans that touted Pass electronics because N.Pass designer is second to none.  I knew N.Pass rigth when he owned/designer too Threshold and his amps were and even today are still very good vintage performers-

Here you have several advices mainly to go with the Pass 25 and the 22.

Real problem belongs not to those great Pass electronics or the great Bartok unit but to the self speaker limitations been horn design and with a woofer developing heavy/high
 InterModulationDistortion levels that made that increment the speaker TotalHarmonicDistortions. Your ekectronics including the dcs unit are in other league where those speakers are truly short.

So, i agree with the gentleman that said change those speakers, he is rigth. Pass is no trouble..

The ones that siad here that the problem can be " fixed " with tubes and changing the stock unit tubes to " tailored " your needs are only telling you to add distortions to " colored " the sound reproduction instead to fix the real problem that has a name: speakers. Horns almost never can honor MUSIC. These kind of tube units advises could be too because your speakers has a sensitivbity over 100db and then according them you need 10watts or lower and a SS over say " 100 watts " will not works and this is a total misunderstanding because we can run high sensitivity speakers with 300 watts or even higher SS designs.

The " problem " with good SS eltectronics designs as Pass is that any kind of system audio items that's not up to the task can't be stays " hidden " behind the colored/high distortions developed by lesser design electronics. In this case your speakers.

If you take a look to the audio market the higher number of audio items  belongs to speakers one.

Do it a favor and change it, put on sale ( always exist horn lovers. ) and you will get what you are looking for with the same electronics you own today.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.