Disappointment with Pass Labs - I'm looking for something else


Hello, I am new to this forum and my mother tongue is not English, so please forgive me if I make mistakes as I use a translator.

I recently bought an XA30.8 and an XP12. I was very happy but as time went by I began to not feel comfortable with the sound.
After doing many tests, I find that the XA30.8 sounds very very sweet but actually too much. I find it to be a loosely defined amp, somewhat muddy and lacks a lot of air and grip. The soundstage is very closed.

The XP-12 is the worst of the two. It is a previous that removes a lot of resolution and information, without transient attacks and sunken mid frequencies. Instead it brings warmth.

Has anyone of you found the same?

If you ask me, I have a Klipsch Cornwall and a dCS BArtok.

Now I want a capable amp, forceful, something warm, decisive, airy and with a great soundstage.

At first I thought of changing my XA30.8 for X250.8, and changing the XP-12 for a second-hand Audio Research Ref5. I am afraid of this change and continue with Pass, since I can go back to the same thing a bit.

On the other hand I have thought of going for a Luxman 900 combo, since it has very good reviews and from what I have read it could be the winning ticket.
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Showing 3 responses by oldhvymec

30 watts is 30 watts. That being said, Pass is not the weak link. But 30 watts might be.. Just about zero in overhead.

I think with 40-80 watts A/B with 6L6 or KT88 valves you might really like it.. Because I’m a Mac guy and have heard just about every Klipsch ever made on them.. I say you picked the wrong amp.. plane and simple..

No El34, that won't work WELL, wonderful mids and highs. I use them with VERY efficient speakers, but NEVER bass duty.. KT88. 90, 120, 6L6 great bass..

It (the Pass) requires a VERY good speaker.  It would push a Tekton all over the place. Really not the other way around. A certain kind of amp will work better for the Klipsch. A MC240. a pair MC60s or MC275, would REALLY liven those speakers UP...

An A/B Pass would do it. 60-100 watts look out.. No class A, wrong kind of speaker.. Maybe 10-15 watts of A, BUT total of 60 - 100 watts at 8 - 16 ohms.

A MC240 all dolled up at 8 or 16 ohms will whip the pants off that Pass, I assure you on Just about any horn, like Klipsch or JBL.. They were made for each other... No need to reinvent the wheel.. A MC60 or 275 would match the SQ but NEVER run out of gas. SO in reality at higher volumes the Macs would outperform the 30 watter hands down.. I love Jensen Imperial too, just magic..

IF I was pushing a monitor section (no bass). That PASS, would be my go to amp, in a medium size room..
I just don’t like the price.. Though I love his products.. it's not uncommon to see 40K+ attached to PASS. No thanks.. They have NEVER EVER been that good.. LOL
YET I just sold a MC225 that I paid 1100.00 for (15 years ago) 3100.00 + Go figure.. Where will Pass be in 60 years?

Regards
Well OP that says it all for me.. You enjoy what ever you dig up..
Klipsch are not know for their razor sharp imaging, lol they are Klipsch after all. They were actually made for each other. Mac and Klipsch.
It’s not the match that’s the issue.. It’s what you think you can get out of THAT speaker. .WITHOUT the right gear I just offered what was actually made for them.

There are a couple more..

You say you have 1/2 the fix and say you don’t like a product..

The Preamp is your biggest problem, you have to have tone control with a Mac, and their older valve amps, they are made for each other. AGAIN, just like the Klipsch. with NO tone control, won’t work...correctly. 1/2 the gear, = unhappy no problem, as you see.. Together MAGIC.. 50 years with Mac, JBL, Klipsch, VMPS.

Mac and JBL Everest series.. In my dreams..

I KNOW a C20 or C22, a MC240,60,275,40,75, would straighten the whole mess up.. Just all mixed up on gear, to tell the truth.. I was trying to be nice..

Pass and Klipsch.. Water and oil, without tone control.  A Luxman with tone control, HIGH quality gear. Fair price!
Good choice.

Regards
I read through the whole thing, LOL, NOW I'm 100% convinced.
OP Knows, that's why he ask! Must be tough to know the WRONG answer..

Starting over is a hard thing to hear.. Even if it is the answer..

45 years ago, I was like that.. I was in my 20's LOL.
So was Nelson Pass. Just kids... NOW he just laughs all the way to the bank..

I think the problem is OP bought Pass because it has a good reputation, NOT because it was a good match. He bought Klipsch, because it had a good reputation.

BUT nowhere did the OP read that the TWO go together.

In other word, TWO rights won't fix a wrong..

So I Quote "YES, I KNOW"

I wish you the best, BUT learning shouldn't cost, it should pay.

Regards