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Directionality Explained
I have read it argued against by those who think they know
Here is proof
Paul Speltz Founder of ANTICABLES shares his thoughts about wire directionality. Dear Fellow Audiophiles, As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. One of the great things about our audio hobby is that we are able to hear things well before we can explain them; and just because we can’t explain something, doesn't mean that it is not real.
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/05/wire-directionality.html#more
Here is proof
Paul Speltz Founder of ANTICABLES shares his thoughts about wire directionality. Dear Fellow Audiophiles, As an electronic engineer, I struggled years ago with the idea of wire being directional because it did not fit into any of the electrical models I had learned. It simply did not make sense to me that an alternating music signal should favor a direction in a conductor. One of the great things about our audio hobby is that we are able to hear things well before we can explain them; and just because we can’t explain something, doesn't mean that it is not real.
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/05/wire-directionality.html#more
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Why is heaudio123 on this thread? Because he’s a troll and a stalker. Did someone forget to put out the Roach Motels last night? It’s getting so you can’t have discussion about a topic above the grasp of a tenth grader without attracting this kind of behavior. Yes, I know what you’re thinking, heaudio, “But I want to BE somebody!” We’re not exactly sure why justmetoo is here. Most likely another trouble maker. |
kozka What if we have a daughter? you mean, like with the fly kite guy?....hmmm....rather impossible...this would require at least 3 minutes intimate commitment on his side...but has not time....he is constantly on this board.. >>>>The Air Force never sleeps. Snooze you lose bozo. |
danvignau If wire is directional, does each leg of a speaker cable flow in the opposite direction from the other> One wire supplies power to push the speaker; the pulls it. As I have said before, A/C power and speaker push pull current, does not just flow out like water from a faucet. >>>>Were you about to make a point regarding directionality? You described alternating current but it seems like something’s missing. |
You can put Humpty Dumpty back together again. The decreasing diameter of the dies insures that you can’t get back to a symmetrical lattice structure no matter what you do, even if the wire is reversed from one die to the next. which it almost certainly isn’t. Why would it? If it doesn’t make sense it’s not true. You guys will think up all kinds of crazy things, though. I’m only humoring humoring you. 🤗 |
cat_doorman I wonder if having a preference for wire direction correlates to a sensitivity to absolute polarity. I don’t think the physics of preferential flow direction are being questioned here. Geometry can create those conditions. Look at the Tesla valve in fluid flow for an analogous example. Diodes aren’t strictly geometry but are definitely have a directional bias. Since the structure of cable is not assumed to be perfect it should logically follow that one direction could have slightly different physical characteristics. I think where most people object is that since audio is composed of AC then the effect of these differences should cancel out. >>>>>The theory of wire directionality is based on the premise that wire is actually not symmetrical physically. The crystal lattice structure of pure molten copper and copper when it has cooled is symmetrical; however, that symmetrical structure is 🔜 deformed 🔙 during manufacture, especially when the copper wire is pulled through the final die, although most likely deformation has already occurred during pulling through previous dies. Thus, the crystal lattice structure is no longer symmetrical, far from it. Like quills on a porcupine’s back. 🔙 🔙 🔙 One assumes photons prefer to travel in the direction of the quills. 🤗 Absolute polarity is a separate issue. It’s not actually correct to say wires act like diodes. Directionality is an audiophile effect, audible, but not an effect that shows up in other applications. Absolute polarity can easily be separated from wire directionality of wire experimentally. |
glupson You are not that knowledgeable. I like teaching you. A lighter made in heaven. >>>>Do you have a new ghost writer? That one was almost funny. |
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Most people forget rather quickly whatever they were taught in school, just my observation. l mean, come on, most people don’t even use what they learned after they get out. What do you think on the job training is all about? It’s convenient to define knowledge as whatever is left after you subtract out all that you’ve forgotten from school. Which for many doesn’t leave very much. I don’t count what you learn on TV. That’s the way the ball bounces. |
cakyol This is a ludicrous concept. It has no effect on sound. Anyone who claims they can hear it is either very gullible to marketing or from another planet or on some psychedelic substance. All the lonely newbies, where do they all come from? 👶 👶 👶 |
Nominated for the Rip Van Winkle Award for snoozing during class, mapman What is it about wires that makes them sound better in one direction compared to the other? Check it out, directionality of wire has been discussed a boatload of times right here on Audiogon for at least 20 years! Hel-loo! |
heaudio123 geoffkait, when someone is blinded by a dogmatic need to behave in a certain way, then will often read into a situation what they want to read or and unfortunately that interferes with their comprehension and objectivity. >>>>Exactly! You understand yourself better than I thought. |
heaudio123 Most degreed engineers I know that work in electronics, are electrical engineers, and refer to themselves as electrical engineers or electrical and electronics engineers. Degreed electrical/electronics engineers would also be well aware of transmission line effects in cables, and most with any experience would be quite aware of bulk circuit effects which would occur in anything that is not symmetrical in nature. They could probably even come up with a few more reasons for directionality. I can’t help but question your "engineering" qualifications based on your statement. A degreed and working engineer, work (sic) not consider the article you link to be an explanation or proof at all. They would just view it as marketing blurb. >>>>You know some degreed engineers who work in electronics? Lots of laughs! Give us a break! That is the perfect example of a logical fallacy - Appeal to Authority, favored by pseudo skeptics the world over who try to win technical arguments by quoting an engineer “buddy“ or famous expert. You might as well quote Einstein or Maxwell or Toole. Better luck next time! But kudos on your writing skills. An English major, one presumes, yes? 😀 Appeal to Authority “When writers or speakers use Appeal to Authority they are claiming that something must be true because it is believed by someone who said to be an "authority" on the subject. Whether the person is actually an authority or not, the logic is unsound. Instead of presenting actual evidence, the argument just relies on the credibility of the "authority."“ |
You say subjective opinions. I say empirical evidence. We observe reality through our senses. If you can’t hear properly or you don’t trust your sense of hearing I suggest candling your ears. 🕯So far those who hear directionality outweigh those who don’t by a factor of about 10,000 to 1. Besides, as I’ve oft counseled, controlled tests are for sissies. They don’t mean anything. They are only an excuse not to progress. So cut me some slack, Jack. I’m afraid you’ve been following the wrong, you know.... 🐑 🐑 🐑 🚶🏻 |
nonoise Could it be the way fuses are made? Are both end caps attached to the wire in the same manner? Is there a little more solder on one end than the other? And I’ve always felt that better and purer metals used in a fuse should have an effect on sound quality the same way a better made power cord would. The crap they use in bog standard fuses are a witch’s brew of poorly conductive metals. All the best, Nonoise >>>>You’re getting warm. There are a number of reasons why aftermarket fuses generally outperform stock fuses. Purity and type of metal used for the wire are two. Some HiFi Tuning fuse are made of high purity silver with gold, for example. The amount of Solder on the ends of the wire is almost certainly not a reason. |
Would you believe Audiogon has a discussion of HiFi Tuning fuse directionality here? https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/what-direction-should-hi-fi-tune-fuse-be-installed note - Be advised if you do a search for HiFi Tuning fuse directionality on Audiogon forums you get 105 results. Hel-loo! |
There is a discussion of HiFi Tuning fuse directionality on the PS Audio web site here, https://forum.psaudio.com/t/hifi-tuning-fuse-in-p10/2402/14 |