Digital Preamp NO video switching


Hi guys and gals,

what are my options for a no video switching digital preamp other than Bryston SP 1.7 ?

I have an AVP to replace because all my video switching is done by my Elite Quadscan HD.

What do you think? The market does not seem to offer much and while I like what I read about the Bryston, I don't like the look of it and its cost.
agw

Showing 10 responses by hbrandt

Unfortunately, EAD doesn't make a processor without video switching. But the sonics are MUCH better than the Bryston...and I think they are better than Meridian too.

So for me, I just waste the video stuff.
Unfortunately, you don't have many options. I'm using an EAD Theatermaster 8800pro....but waste the video switching.....because all of my video switching is done by a Focus Enhancements CenterStage 2. Oh well.
merge-
true indeed....more money....and electronics that add noise. Too bad for those of us that use a scaler or outboard video switcher. Hopefully manufacturers are listening!!!
Distortion:

We all love our equipment...and that's great. I've a/b compared lots of pre/pros in my system including Meridian, Bryston and EAD.

You prefer Bryston, i prefer EAD. That's what makes the world go 'round. I think lots of this depends on system synergy, speakers, room, personal tastes etc.

I must say, I do not find the EAD processors to add coloration or be particularly warm sounding. Rather, I find the processor to be quite neutral.

Harry
Distortion:

What do you think I should have differently in the first place?? This guy was asking for opinions. I've had the Bryston, a Meridian 568, and the EADs in my setup.

I've done A/B comparison of each.

I prefered the EAD significantly over the Bryston.

That's what I said in the first place...and what i say now.

If you've directly A/B compared them...I'd be interested in your opinion.

Harry
Distortion:

You don't have to agree with my opinion....but it is my honest opinion.

I'm happy for you that you love your Bryston gear. And I'm well aware that lots of studios have utilized Bryston gear. I have absolutely nothing whatsoever against Bryston gear. I've owned Bryston amps. And I've listened to lots of Bryston based systems.
And they do have the best warranty in the industry

But, the gentleman asked for some opinions about pre/pros. Yes, he specifically asked about video switching. I went through the same process he did in selecting a pre/pro....because I too wanted one without video switching. In fact, if I thought the Bryston sounded as good as the EAD I would have bought it hands down for that reason. I also discussed the matter with a very experienced audiophile friend who also owned the Bryston and swapped it for a EAD TM8800pro because of the difference in sonics.

The post specifically stated, "What do you think? The market does not seem to offer much and while I like what I read about the Bryston, I don't like the look of it and its cost."

I told him what I think.

I'm surprised you find it to be such a big deal for someone to state their opinion here. Isn't that what this forum is for?? Or is that my....distortion??

Harry
Distortion:

I can't believe I'm dignifying this absurd thread any further. You seem to have quite a need to defend your Bryston. Why that is, I can only speculate. But, the reality is...that this forum is all about people asking for and getting the opinions of others. The thread asked for opinions about processors...and I gave my 2 cents.

You are now stating that my opinions are "uninformed" with no personal knowledge of how informed or "uninformed" they may be. In this regard, you show your own ignorance and arrogance. I've simply stated my opinions and my basis and rationale for those opinions.

I took a look at some of your own past threads...and noticed that, despite your criticism of me, you seem to allow yourself to state your own opinions rather freely. For example:

"01-15-04: Distortion
I dont want to get too far off my original tube question, but....
When I was using a Rotel Pre/Pro I had some upper midrange glare or harshness, when I upgraded to a Bryston processor it cleared up."

Here's another example:
"07-14-03: Distortion
Thanks for your recommendation of Classe Pre/pros. I gave them a try, but the Brystons dynamics and extension in bypass was superior, by my ear anyway."

I guess it's OK for you to state your preference for Bryston over Rotel or Classe....using words like "superior".....but it's NOT OK for me to state my preference for EAD using words like "much better". And of course I presume your view of the Rotel "glare and harshness" and the Bryston "dynamics and extension" was INFORMED but my view of the EAD was UNINFORMED. Right? You seem to have a vastly different set rules for others than you do for yourself!!!! You really do have a significant problem. i hope you read this post carefully so that you can see it for yourself as I am sure others can.

Also, I should point out that you also have a have a nasty penchant for misquoting. For example, you stated earlier:
"I guess that depends on one's definition of significant. I must have lousy ears. Because, I found all of the Processors (even the one's which you obviously you think sound poor) to sound quite good."

I NEVER said anywhere that any processors sounded "poor". In fact, I agree that most of the processors discussed are quite good. I simply stated my personal preference for the EAD. Needless to say...that's why I bought it. Particularly since I chose a processor with video switching even though I was hoping to find one without it (such as the Bryston). The point I was making, if you could have understood it, was that I chose EAD for sonics even though I would have preferred the Bryston because of the video switching issue.

Next time I'm asked for an opinion, I'll follow your advice and say...

"Gee....I understand you're looking for pre/pro advice....and I've listened to the Bryston and the EAD and several others....but before I tell you which one I think sounded "different" but not necessarily "better" to me....let me tell you that it's a free country...and there may be others (like Distortion) who like the Bryston a whole bunch better.....and it's really a matter of system synergy and other components anyway......and I don't want to offend any defensive Bryston owners (like Distortion)....because they would NEVER EVER state their opinion that they think their Bryston is better or superior.....but having said all of that....I happened to have liked the way the EAD sounded quite a bit more than the Bryston sounded......so much so....that I decided to buy a pre/pro with video switching even though I didn't need or want video switching. And please note that I haven't used words like better, much better and superior!!!!"

By the way...I think you've picked an excellent moniker.

Regards,
Harry
Wow, aren't you the reigning expert in how to appropriately discuss equipment!!! Thanks so much for the tips. NOT!!!

You wrote:
"Better is OK, superior even."

From now on....I'll say "better" or "superior"...but not "much better."

You wrote:
"See one of my previous post. I suppose It all boils down to how one defines "much better" or "significantly better." "

I'm glad that you can set the standard for how "one defines" these. Perhaps you should publish your standards!!!

You wrote:
"I defend ALL products when they are being unfairly smeared. Bryston happens to be a regular target though."

Well, aren't you special!!? You are the supreme defender of unfair smear campaigns!! That is, unless you're doing the comparisons and critical of other equipment, like Classe and Rotel as noted in quotes earlier. But god forbid someone likes something better than Bryston...and you view it as "unfair" and "smear". It's good that you get to decide what is being "unfairly" smeared. Also, I'm very surprised that you viewed a simple statement that I thought the EAD sounded "much better" than the Bryston as a "smear" campaign......but somehow manage to view your criticisms of Rotel and Classe as valid and fair. You just cannot see or acknowledge how hypocritical you are. You also just cannot seem to tolerate that someone doesn't love a piece of equipment that YOU OWN. God forbid.

You wrote:
"Well done, because that first post sounded as if any who had/have a Meridian or a Bryston might as well have a bowl full of turds."

Not at all. Reread the post. I simply said that EAD sounded (to me, of couse) much better. I never said a negative word about Meridian or Bryston. Isn't anyone (except you) allowed to make a simple comparison here?

You wrote:
"Thanks about the moniker, it has been around for a long time, I still play the Guitar a little and I love my distortion."

I'm glad your happy with your moniker!! I just wish you were a touch more insightful.

Harry
Ok, sure...let's end this useless thread. I think we'll all feel better. But just let me ask a couple of final questions. How do you reconcile the following comments you have made?:

"08-16-03: Distortion
I compared many pre/pros before settling on the Bryston. It easily beat Krell(showcase), Rotel(1066), Integra(RD7 I think), B & K (Ref30 and 50), Sunfire(TG3), and Acurus. The Classe SSP-30 was very close. "

"04-19-04: Distortion
To be honest, having heard all of these Processors on many occasions, in many environments, including my home. I must say (once again) that the Bryston, EAD, and Meridian perform very, very close (along with others). To claim one is evidently superior to the other sounds like Bull$hi* to me. "

Well, Distortion?? It seems like you consider your own post of
4/19/04 to be total Bull$hi* if we follow the reasoning of your
8/16/03 post. Or are you the only one who is allowed to come to some conclusions when comparing equipment around here? Or are conclusions only valid when they support that your components are superior (as opposed to inferior) to others??

In all my days on Audiogon, AVS forum, and Audioasylum, I've never seen ANYBODY with your degree of persistant arrogance or inconsistency.

Have you really had an EAD processor in your home?? Which one??

Harry
It's not an issue of whether you specifically mentioned EAD or Meridian or Bryston. Let's forget the specific equipment here. It's your criticism of others for things that you do yourself that bugs me into spending some precious time on this useless thread!!

You readily compare Bryston to Krell yourself.....but get critical when I compare EAD to Bryston. How do you reconcile that????

"08-16-03: Distortion
I compared many pre/pros before settling on the Bryston. It easily beat Krell(showcase), Rotel(1066), Integra(RD7 I think), B & K (Ref30 and 50), Sunfire(TG3), and Acurus. The Classe SSP-30 was very close. "

You're allowed to say Bryston (list $4K) easily beat Krell (list $4k).......but god forbid I say that I think EAD is sonically "much better" than Bryston.........and you start telling me how inappropriate that is.

It's all plain to see....but it is unlikely that you will allow yourself to see it.

Harry