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I am neither badly mistaken nor inexperienced. Supra are low-end cables. Period. They do not belong in a comparison with high-end cables. Their success is a result of marketing -- not a result of their sonic attributes. The best components will be brought down to the lowest common denominator in the cable chain. Try pairing some high end components with Supra cables and see what happens.
Some SR cables are excellent -- in the active lines. This is system dependent. Not only the cable business but also the component business is loaded with salesmanship and snake oil. Everything in life is loaded with salesmanship and snake oil. What else is new? |
Put it this way. Some cables are worse than others. |
People who are happy with Supras have not experienced top cables in a top system. |
I cannot say what will work in your system because it is your system and I have no way of knowing. Having used the Supra Sword speaker cables and interconnects and the LoRad and compared them side by side with some high end cables I note that the Supras have a lean, 2-dimensional quality that disqualifies them -- quickly.
If you want to call Supra high end go ahead. But what matters is the sound -- not the label. If you take a high end Synergistic Research or an ASI Liveline and A/B with the Supras you will click on SELL CABLES on Audiogon to get rid of the Supra. It's as simple as that. If the Supras work in your system then that's good. But if you put a really high end cable up against the Supras then your opinion might change -- quickly. For instance, patch in a Hologram D or an ASI Liveline in place of the LoRad and see what happens. It will only take a few seconds of the first track for your ears to decide. |
Your thinking is very confused. You are talking at cross-currents. Preference is not correlated to quality. What an owner prefers has nothing to do with what he would choose if he were presented with more choices. If an owner prefers Supra but has not heard Synergistic Research or ASI Liveline or another high end cable then he has not chosen the best cable for his system -- if his system is truly high end -- because he is unaware of the better choices out there. A deep knowledge base is indispensable to making informed decisions. Most people make choices that are uninformed -- to one degree or another. |
Your thinking is very confused. You are talking at cross-currents. Preference is not correlated to quality. What an owner prefers has nothing to do with what he would choose if he were presented with more choices. If an owner prefers Supra but has not heard Synergistic Research or ASI Liveline or another high end cable then he has not chosen the best cable for his system -- if his system is truly high end -- because he is unaware of the better choices out there. A deep knowledge base is indispensable to making informed decisions. Most people make choices that are uninformed -- to one degree or another. IMHO. |
I didn't see IMHO after any of Audiofeil's postings. Is this requirement only for those who disagree with him? IMHO. |
A posting that does not include the popular IMHO is not ipso facto a confused posting. Confusion must be exhibited in the content and reasoning for the posting to qualify as being confused. My posting was not confused at all. On the contrary. Strong statements are often found less acceptable on these forums than derision from the LOL crowd. I find this very odd.
Do you mean to say that anyone with normal hearing would prefer a LoRad on a high end DAC in a high end system than a Hologram D or an ASI Liveline and that the latter would sound worse than the former to most people's ears? Do you mean to say that anyone making this statement without the popular IMHO is confused? |
Musicxyz, you hit the nail on the head. Without the politically correct IMHO after it. I appreciate your comments. I am in my 60's, alas. |
Musicxyz, I haven't tested nearly as many cables as you and your friends but I am not surprised at the results you are reporting. There are very few cables I have heard that can reach you on the emotional level.
My system is unconventional in that I run IC's and PC's in series. It's a real mess but I only care about the sound. It consists of Bybee, ASI Liveline and Synergistic Research cabling and "tweaks", for want of a better word. I have found that running cables in series gives a superior result in my system. Where one cable may be very good but not in the excellent zone, two together may produce amazing results. I have discovered this through trial and error. It can be expensive but the results are stunning. I would not be able to go back to a system that uses single cables. |
Most professional musicians have diminished hearing because of playing for years at high volume. Many musicians have a serious hearing problem. This is a fact. Ooops, facts are not allowed. IMHO. |
I trained as a classical pianist. Of course, it is hard for many musicians to accept that they have diminished hearing. That's understandable.
Here's a site that is not afraid of discussing this openly:
http://www.hearinglossweb.com/Medical/Causes/nihl/mus/mus.htm
High volume diminishes hearing. This is a widely accepted fact. Oooops. No facts, ma'am. Remember Dragnet? Jack Webb should have said IMHO. But that was in the era before everything had to be politically correct i.e. self-censored.
I have been wearing wax ear plugs (when needed) for the past 35 years and I'm very glad about it. Unfortunately, I forgot them for a Smokey Robinson concert back in the 1980's. I had to walk out because of the high volume. Because I have protected my hearing I am now able to enjoy all the subtleties of the high frequencies -- unlike many of my friends who did to take this simple precaution when attending concerts and who now find themselves hearing pianos instead of triangles. |
Listening to loud music is like trying to dodge a bullet when the air is full of lead. Eventually it catches up with most people. It just takes time. Hearing damage due to listening to loud music is cumulative and has been scientifically shown to be irreversible. I'm not outta here. IMHO. |
Ya got a great sense of humor. Don't give up so easy. You can't compare Supra with the better SR cables. That's the short answer. You may not like to hear it but that's the truth. If you want to go for the Supras then go for them. In a high end system -- forget about them. You can go to The Cable Company and audition SR. IMHO. |
Figured that the LOL crowd would finally make it to the thread. I wonder what took so long? |
