Describe ube sound vs solid state


What are the charesterics in comparing each of these?
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A lot depends on the designer and what "sound" he/she is reaching for. The range on sound differences are many. It can go from very harsh and bright for some solid state to very soft and mushy and distorted for tube. But, I have found that well designed tube equipment is both realistic and accurate and the same is true for well designed solid state designs.

It also depends on what speakers you are driving.

The real test is you. What type of music do you appreciate? Are you familiar with how instruments are "suppose" to sound? Are you familiar with sound space, dimensionality?,etc. How loud you play your music matters also.

You are going to hear/read from many about harmonic distortion and how it is different in tubes vs solid state equipment. That is well and good. However, There are some pretty good solid state designers out there, just as there are some good tube designers.

To debate and discuss tube sound vs solid state sound, one first must test both on an apples to apples scale. Pick a price point, select equipment well designed within that price point and go at it. just like cars, most electronic equipment is designed within price points that have compromises to stay within that price range. So it will be very close to apples to apples in the comparison.

You can't A/B an Audio Research REF 2509 amp vs a lower end or mid fi Yamaha solid state amp and consider that a fair comparison.

If you are talking about high end, then you will then see that the equipment is pretty darn close with subtle differences. And now!!!! is when we can have a fair discussion about the differences. Until I hear a person's reference point about comparisons, the discussion is lost on me.

Tube sound is warmer and more detailed? In reference to what???

I can tell you that I really like the Audio Research REF 250 amps. They are clean, smooth, accurate and realistic to my ears. The best I've hear so far. I've heard the top of the line Boulder amps and wow! they are nice. I still prefer the AR amps. But it may not be solid state vs tube here, but just AR vs Boulder.

Remember, every designer is different. I haven't heard the TOL Pass amps, but I bet they are really nice.

So, read/listen to what others say about tube sound vs solid state, but, it all comes down to price point, apples to apples comparison and ultimately, what you prefer.

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Now that's interesting Pehare. I would have said that SS is dynamic. But, I'm remembering listing to the top of the line Wilson speakers, driving by an AR REF250 and a AR REF5SE and I have to tell you, I really stopped trying to determine the "sound" and was smiling all through the experience. Whenever I visit my favorite store in San Diego (Stereo Design) I always go in and listen to this system with my music and just smile. I forgot the SS vs Tube debates and just enjoyed.

I remember years ago (many, many years ago), when I was going to upgrade speakers to the then new Martin Logan Sequel IIs. at Robertson Audio in Los Angeles. They were setting up the room and while waiting, we took the opportunity to listen to the Top of the Line $35,000 turntable, Goldmond (spelling?) top $75,000 speakers driven by Mark Levinson 23.5 amps and that was the only real time other than the AR250 experience that I couldn't stop smiling. Wow!!

When the artist steps out of the speakers and the sound stage magically appears in front of you and you are "there", the smiles just don't end. I promised myself that when I could afford those 23.5 amps, I would get them. I made the same promise with the AR REF250 amps.

I don't care if it is tube or solid state. If the sound makes me remember and smile like that again, I'm there.

Of course, I do have to be able to afford them. sign.....

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It is as I mentioned in previous posts. If one offers opinions regarding tube vs solid state or amp vs amp and does not offer reference points, then the comparisons are not based on fact.

the bottom line is that one will see lots of opinions regarding tube vs solid state and how tubes are Gods gift to the world and solid state is the lazy persons offering to the music reproduction world. And that couldn't be further from the truth.

One has to compare apples to apples. To simply say tubes are better, warmer, etc. is not accurate or true. in comparison to what???

Don't take anyone's word as gospel. Pick a price point, find some solid state amps and tube amps within that price point. Taking into account your existing system and speakers and the load it represents to the amp. The room size, the volume level that you are comfortable with and get those amps into your system and listen for yourself.

One would be doing a large disservice by saying that tube amps are better than solid state or visa versa (yeah,,,, no the are not) without a direct scientific and listening comparison.

There are some really great solid state amps out there that I would take in a second. Just as there are some really great tube amps out there that I would also take in a second.

To say one is better than the other is not based on any comparisons that I have seen.

If I was to be thinking of buying amps, I would establish my price point, the power ratings and impedance I need to drive my specific speakers, go demo them in my system (for that kind of money, absolutely it would be in my home system and not in a store), take careful, thoughtful notes, and decide.

As I don't 100% trust anyone else's opinion or ears except my own, that is how I would go.

getting someone's views is one thing, but buying based on that person's view is not smart.

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