The new onkyo are good. I am more into 2 channel than ht and recently did a true theater room with aTmos . took home marantz pioneer onkyo and anthem. Was surprised at the onkyo, Ended up going with that .i have external amps and was mainly comparing voicing of the center channel. The anthem was better if using it to power speakers I use outboard dsp on the subs as none of the Avrs did very well in my room
