Paul,like I said before.Just buy the 103 or 103r and try one.You can get exactly what you paid for them if you do not like either one.You can pick the 103 up from a guy on ebay in spain for 158.00.Mine arrived in a week.The 103r can be had for 229-259 out of Japan.There is a reason why almost all of the europeon and japanese custom turntable guy's use these.They sound really good.How many cartridges do you know with a following like the Denon's.You can also mod these very easily,nude,wood body.Even Soundsmith is selling modded and unmodded Denon's now.A guy named Uwe makes fantastic wood bodies for these.Takes the cartridge to another level for a 100.00 bucks.The Jensen and K+K transformer's would give you a real good taste of the denon's for under 300.00.Would not lose any money on these either.Give it a try you might get hooked.Have a Happy Holiday,KP
