Daedalus DA-1: How Good Are They?


This is a follow up to my preliminary review of the DA-1’s posted on the Audiogon several months ago. In that review I praised these speakers highly but had concerns about the muddled bass response that prevented me from making a purchase without further audition in a different space.

I was led to the DA-1’s after a two year search for a pair of attractive floor standing speakers to replace my Harbeth Compact 7’s. When I started out I thought this would be an easy task. With roughly 8K to spend I figured it would be relatively easy to find something that sounded at least as good as the Harbeth’s but with more bass in an attractive package. This most certainly was not the case, partly because the Harbeth’s are truly excellent speakers and a tremendous value. I would recommend them to anyone with a moderate sized room and budget for partnering equipment. Over the past two years I heard nearly everything I could, traveling considerable distances for auditions in private homes, high end audio shops and shows. It was a very educational, and at times, frustrating experience. Most of what I heard failed to pass my “initial impression” test--that overwhelming sense of “rightness” and “musicality” that grabs you and pulls you into the music--the sensation that what you are hearing sounds like real, live musicians playing in the room. This immediate impression is, I believe, very important. In my opinion, if a music system fails to deliver on this count you can pretty much bet that it won’t be satisfying over the long haul. Of course, a longer audition is essential to uncover the nuances of any hi-fi system, but in my experience, if the system doesn’t sound “right” from the get go it will probably falter under more lengthy scrutiny rather than improve.

Despite the terrible room acoustics during my initial audition of the DA-1’s, there was something about the sound--a bit of that “rightness” factor--that wouldn’t allow me to cross this speaker off my ever shrinking list. I really felt they had a lot of potential and, knowing the devastating effects a bad room can have on a sound system, I wanted to give them another try. On the eve of setting up a home audition of the DA-1, I made contact with an owner of a pair who was moving and needed to sell--and the price was more than fair. So without the benefit of another audition, I took the plunge. I’m I pretty conservative guy and take few risks as a general rule. However, sometimes taking a chance can be a good thing--in this case, I am happy to report, it most certainly was.

When I got them home I set the DA-1’s up exactly where the Harbeth’s sat on the short wall of my 14 W X 22 L X 9 H room--about two feet from the wall behind them and three and a half feet from the side wall (the other side opens to an 11 X 11 dining room). I haven’t moved them since, except to adjust the toe in slightly. I may play around with them some day to see what moving them forward or back will do but I can’t imagine them sounding any better than they do right now. The DA-1’s are, as they sit, one of the best loudspeaker systems I have ever heard. For the money, I have not heard anything that comes even close to their performance. In fact, based on my experience over the past two years, I think you would have to spend at least $15K to do appreciably better.

The DA-1’s are, in a word, MUSICAL. I have not heard another speaker, regardless of price, that captures the essence of a performance the way the Daedalus do. They are one of the few speakers I’ve heard that just get out of the way and envelope you in all the passion, warmth, beauty and verve of live music. I can’t emphasize this enough--most of the systems I heard over the past two years sounded like hi-fi. With the DA-1’s in my system, I don’t hear gear--I hear music.

Tonally the DA-1’s capture the unique qualities of every instrument, acoustic or amplified. I spent the better part of two days after getting them set up listening exclusively to classical and chamber music. I couldn’t stop because I wanted to hear how each recording would be portrayed by the DA-1’s. Solo piano has all the body, warmth, wood tone and depth of the instrument heard in live performance. With chamber ensembles the interplay between the musicians is passionately revealed--each member of a string quartet’s voice is distinct and yet part of a rich and complex musical fabric. The cello, in particular, has the weight and woody resonance that was so often lacking in many of the systems I auditioned--it simply sounds real and “right there” in the room. Not fat, bloated or indistinct but warm, rich and tonally correct. Oboes sound like oboes, bassons like bassons. I could go on and on. I then moved to Keith Jarret’s “Standards” albums. Once again, what struck me was the way in which I could hear the improvisational process unfold, as if they were making it up right in front of me--as it is when you catch the best of live performances. The individual notes start and stop exactly as they should. Listening to the acoustic bass, there is no blurring or overhang to spoil the illusion of live sound. When I shifted to solo guitar (Alex DeGrassi on Windham Hill) his instrument sounded brilliant but not biting, with natural sounding reinforcement of the bass line provided by the low E string when struck.

I think a good part of what makes the “Daedalus sound” so compelling is the crossover. It is entirely seamless, creating an absolutely coherent sound field. Lou Hinckley, who designs and builds these speakers, won’t discuss the crossover design, nor will he specify the make of the drivers (other than to say that the bass and midrange drivers are “proprietary designs” made to his specs here in the USA and that the twin tweeters are Vifa’s). I don’t know what kind of magic he is doing here, but the careful blending of the drivers in this 3.5 way design probably accounts for much of what I am describing in this review. The crossover doesn’t appear smear the timing of events or ask the drivers to operate outside their natural limits. I’m no expert here--all I know is that I do not hear the seams like I did when I auditioned, say, the Sonus Faber Cremonas. The DA-1's sound like a well executed two-way (like my Harbeth’s) rather than a large, multi way speaker.

My initial impressions of the bass of the DA-1’s (see my preliminary review posted on the Audiogon) were wholly unwarranted. In my room the bass is warm, rich, full, yet tight and tuneful. The full foundation of the music is present and pitch perfect. String bass (again, from “Standards”) is spot on. Electric bass (Lee Sklar playing on James Taylor “JT”) is so well rendered that I have a new appreciation for this extraordinary studio artist. With the exception of the Vandersteen 5A (properly tuned, ideally positioned and paired with top notch components), I have never heard bass as authoritative, pitch accurate and fully integrated with the rest of the musical spectrum. It doesn’t stand out, it supports and enhances what ever else is going on. I think one reason the bass response is so good is because Lou doesn’t try for too much in the way of extension. The DA-1’s begin to drop off around 30hz (though room reinforcement from the rear port arrangement may yield lower output in some settings). Some speakers, like the Proac D25’s I had in my system for several weeks, claim an output of 20hz and can’t really deliver quality bass as a result. No matter where I placed the Proac’s the bass never sounded as tuneful and rhythmically correct as I wanted. The Proac’s, in my view, do not do the PRaT thing as well as they should for the money. There are tradeoffs that must be made in all speaker designs and I don’t think you can get 20hz from a 6.5” woofer and still have it play the bass line correctly. The Daedalus sport two 8” drivers, the bottom one cutting off at a lower frequency, and “only” try for 30hz. To me, I’d rather give up the last half octave for real pitch definition--and it seems the folks at Daedalus would agree. The DA-1’s offer bass that is as deep as most recordings require, but more importantly, reproduce powerful and tuneful bass that supports and sustains the music. In fact, the DA-1’s may be the ideal marriage between classic American style power and British sensibilities regarding pace, rhythm and timing.

The treble performance of the DA-1’s is excellent as well. Not as airy and extended as several of the best speaker systems (i.e. ribbons) I heard, but articulate (without going nasty) and well integrated. The DA-1’s have a switch that allows the user to attenuate the treble by + or - 2db. I have the switch set at “flat”, finding this provides the most ideal degree of sparkle and air in my room. In another room with different associated equipment, you may have different results. Ultimately, it’s nice to be able to contour the sound to individual tastes. The treble performance of the DA-1’s is something that grows on you a bit over time. While some speakers, like the Theil CS6 I auditioned, tend to provide a splashy top end that initially impresses in a brief demonstration, the high frequency performance of the DA-1’s does not draw attention to itself, blending seamlessly with the rest of the spectrum and, I tend to think, will wear better over time.

The DA-1’s had some stiff competition in the midrange area coming in to replace my Harbeth’s. The Harbeth Radial driver is considered by many (including myself) to be the best (as in least colored) there is. So how does the Daedalus stack up? Very well indeed. Compared to the Harbeth’s the midrange lacks that last bit of electrostatic purity that I adore but it is very close indeed. The DA-1’s are slightly more revealing through the midrange and do not have the tendency to cover recording aberrations quite as much as the Harbeth’s, which literally cannot sound “bad” no matter what you throw at them. The slight dip in the upper midrange designed into the Harbeth’s tends to take the edge off bad recordings. The DA-1’s sound flatter across this part of the spectrum and therefore tend not to mask poor recordings (and, I’m assuming associated electronics) as well as the Harbeth’s. Of course, the DA-1’s also do not homogenize the sound like the Harbeth’s. You can hear differences between recordings, venues and mikes more easily with the DA-1’s. They are, I think, more accurate to the recording and therefore ever so slightly less kind with bad material. This is not to say that the DA-1’s sound hard or analytical. The presence region is warm and realistic in the way few speakers are--again, the “rightness” factor--which relies mostly on getting the midrange “right”. What I hear is a nice tradeoff between delivering the detail and providing a relaxed presentation that will serve most of the music in your collection very, very well.

Much has been made in the few other reviews of this speaker about it’s dynamic capabilities, and for good reason. At 96db sensitivity, the DA-1’s have a natural ease that is superior to most other designs. They are fast (lightning quick) without being tipped up or hard sounding. Others have said that what distinguishes the DA-1’s is that they sound like live music. Again, I couldn’t agree more--but not because they rock like crazy (which they do, without a hint of strain) but for me because of everything I’ve stated above. They sound like live music because everything sounds REAL. Perhaps this is why it took some folks so long to “get used to” the sound of the DA-1’s. Not me--I go to live shows and performances all the time. What I have a hard time getting “used to” are loudspeakers that don’t sound like real instruments (for whatever reason). Getting “used to” the DA-1’s took about 15 seconds. One other point made in several of the reviews is that the DA-1’s are great for off-axis listening. Again, I wholeheartedly agree. With dual tweeters (one slightly offset) the sound is expansive. Frequency response and image placement do not shift when you move around the room or stand up. The “sweet spot” is very broad, which makes this a speaker more people can enjoy. As for imaging, the DA-1’s give up a little in the way of image specificity for greater off-axis listening enjoyment. Voices and instruments occupy real, palpable three dimensional space, but are not as etched as, say, the Theil CS6. Also, the soundfield typically does not extend beyond the outside edges of the speakers, nor is it as deep as I’ve heard with some models. This really doesn’t bother me at all, though I can see how some may want more localization of the performers, if that is your thing.

So, what’s not to love about the DA-1’s? Obviously not much. I wish the treble had just a wee bit more air and extension like some of the best speakers I’ve heard. I might get that by notching up the tweeter a click but this creates a slightly more forward presentation than I would like. The midrange, while totally believable and gloriously detailed, could be slightly more emphasized and present in the room. A tiny bit more richness would be welcome. With bad recordings there is a very slight hardness at louder volumes that my Harbeth’s did not reveal. Again, here I’m comparing with speakers that are simply unmatched in this area. The packing is also not the best, although I understand Lou is working on a new shipping system that utilizes full edge protection of 2" closed cell foam, plywood and extremely heavy cardboard containers. Speaking of size, I wouldn’t recommend anyone use these speakers in a room smaller than mine. They generate tremendous bass energy that might overwhelm a smaller space. That is really all I can muster in the way of complaints.

In closing, though it has taken nearly two years, I’ve finally found a speaker that I know I can live with for the long haul. The Daedalus DA-1’s are dollar for dollar the best speaker I have ever heard and one of the very best regardless of price. They do not appear to be fussy about placement and can be driven easily with different types of electronics. They are utterly engaging and unfailingly musical and provide truly full range, dynamic sound. And they look fantastic to boot--constructed from solid hardwood with dovetail joinery and a hand rubbed finish that will compliment any decor. When I bought my Harbeth’s about six years ago nobody outside the “Brit” wing of the audiophile community knew anything about them. But as soon as I heard them I knew that they were destined to be classics and bought them without a second thought. Today, after rave reviews in all the mainstream American hi-end press, Harbeth is nearly a household name. So too, I think, will be the case with Daedalus. The DA-1’s above all speak with a consistently musical voice, and in the end isn’t that what we would all like from our hi-fi systems?

Associated Equipment

VPI Scout/JMW9/Dynavector 20XH
Audio Research SP16
Audio Research 100.2
Rotel RCD 971
Audience Au-24 and Powercords
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Just to respond to a few ideas/questions raised...

Drubin, I agree that the Harbeth's do not need to be cranked up to sound their best. I did find, however, that when listening to rock music I kept searching for the volume control to click it up a notch in hopes of improving dynamics. The DA-1's have that same low volume listenability but with the added bonus of greater speed, dynamics (micro and macro) and, of course, authority. At low volumes they sound just as lovely as when louder.

David12, glad to hear you are looking into the Daedalus. FWIW I had a chance to listen extensively to the Reimer Tetons, which are the next model up from the Wind Rivers. I found them to be just as dynamic and effortless as the DA-1's but not nearly as musical through the midrange. Also, the ribbon tweeter was not as accurate or realistic and, of course, you will not have nearly the off-axis listenability as you do with the DA-1's. To my ears the Reimers weren't any where near as refined as the Daedalus. I didn't hear the Wind Rivers but I would expect at the lower price point they would sound slightly less good than the Tetons. As for Proac, as I mentioned I had a pair of D25's in my system on a trial basis for several weeks and extensively auditioned the D38 at a dealer. For the money, the D25 is not even in the same league as the DA-1's. The D38 (at nearly 9K) is a very nice speaker that would be competitive with the DA-1 were it not for the price. Perhaps the cost in British pounds might offset the shipping etc. to make it a closer call, thought I'd probably still give the edge to the Daedalus in terms of sound. Of course, I'd like to run them up against each other in my own room before making a firm statement.
Thanks, Bill. I'm glad to hear about your planned renovations. Once completed you will have an auditioning space as stellar as your service and passion for music. Best of luck and thanks for all your help.
Barrelchief, we need to talk. I'm very curious about the Odyssey Mono's. Can you discuss:

1. What they replaced, why you made the change and what you heard when you made it?

2. What preamp you are running with the Odyssey's and why you chose it?

3. The synergy you are experiencing with the DA-1's.

I've sold my ARC 100.2 and am in the market for a new amp. While I am inclined to stick with ARC to pair with my SP16 and jump to the more powerful 300.2, I am intrigued by what I read on the Odyssey site and comments from reviewers and others. Caveat: I need something that runs pretty cool for an in cabinet installation--how warm do those baby's get?

Thanks!
Lou--when you have time could you elaborate on the aperiodic vent? If someone put a gun to my head and made me say which of the many virtues of the DA-1's do I feel is most impressive I would have to say the bass response. I'm really curious how you get such good results and am figuring the venting has a lot to do with it. Every possible good thing you can say about the bass response of the DA-1 is there. I can't get over how well these speakers provide a natural and proper foundation to the music. I'm also wondering whether the design somehow avoids the pitfalls of traditional rear ports which need to be pulled way out into the room to function properly--I've got my DA-1's about 2 feet from the wall and I don't hear any bloat or smear down there AT ALL. Can you shed a little light on the design?

One last thing--I'm into my third or fourth month now with the DA-1's and I have to say that while they do ALL kinds of music exceptionally well (an essential trait in my view) they are unparalled in their reproduction of acoustic/unamplified music. I am listening to more chamber and orchestral music than ever and really discovering the beauty and power of this genre. Thanks Lou!
You know, I am getting so sick and tired of audio manufacturers that make absurdly dishonest claims about their products. Voodoo incantations that improve bass response? The next thing I expect to hear is placement of a clock radio in your listening area will improve the soundstage of your system. I'm getting out of this hobby! ;)
Sorry, Lou. My poor attempt at being cynical and funny. I didn't mean to lead people astray.
I'm gonna spend most of my air responding to Aktchi and let Lou handle the wood--except to say that mine are solid oak with, I believe, Baltic Birch and solid Walnut baffles and Baltic Birch rear panels. Lou, did I get that right?

Now, as to comparisons. Aktchi, I'm not sure which of my two reviews you read but let me say that I spent two years auditioning nearly every speaker out there under 15K before buying the DA-1's. That is my basis of comparison. You name it and I've probably heard it--more than once. In my review, I used the Harbeth Compact 7's as a basis of comparison for the midrange primarily and did so because I have found in my travels that the Harbeth Radial driver and the speaker Alan Shaw has designed around it is the most faithful to this part of the spectrum than any other dynamic speaker I have heard. (The Quad ESL-63 is better but not by much and, as an electrostatic, suffers from other problems that the Harbeth and other dynamic speakers do not). This is why I spend some time comparing the DA-1 to the Harbeth--the midrange is important--very important--and I wanted to compare the DA-1 to the best I've heard in this area. And how did the DA-1 measure up? Very well, indeed. In fact, of the speakers I auditioned the DA-1 was at or near the top of the list of those that could faithfully reproduce the midband, getting instrumental textures and voices very close to, in my mind, absolutely right. In EVERY OTHER RESPECT the DA-1 trounces the Harbeth and rightly should for the money. In fact, I feel that the DA-1 is better all around than any of the speakers I heard over the past two years and that is why they are sitting in my living room. And for the money they simply cannot be touched. I just finished a long listening session and I have to say that, for me, there is nothing wanting with this speaker. I doubt I'll ever give them up and can't imagine owning anything else--unless I win the lottery and can step up to a significantly higher price point.

I hope this clarifies things that my review may have left ambiguous.
It figures after boasting that I've heard nearly everything under the sun below $15K Aktchi asks about two that I haven't--the Zu and the Tyler. I guess to try and be more specific here is what I did hear in my two year search (at least what I remember hearing!)

Aerial Acoustics Model 7B
Dynaudio 3.4 and 5.4
Vandersteen 5A
Vandersteeen Quatro
Vandersteen 3A Sig
Proac 3.8
Proac D25
Proac D38
Wilson Sophia
Focus Audio 788
Focus Audio 888
Fried Studio 7
Audio Physik Virgo (Latest)
Vienna Acoustics (Beethovens?)
Thiel CS6
Thiel CS2.4
ATC SCM 35
Dali MF4 and MF5
Bugtussel Amygdala
Red Rose Signatures (I think that's the name)
Sonus Faber Cremona

I know I'm forgetting at least a half dozen. Also, I'm not counting speakers I heard briefly at shows and elsewhere--the ones listed above were serious demos. There are a number of these that I liked quite a bit but for me either were not a good value for money (the D38 at 9K) or sounded very nice but had a problem I could not get past (for example the Cremona's crossover was evident to me and the Focus Audio speakers were too polite and insufficiently dynamic). Most of these speakers are either at or higher in price than the DA-1's. However, to my ears the DA-1 gave the most consistently musical presentation. Do I wish the DA-1's had the magic midrange of the Harbeth's? Yes. The high frequency extension and air of the Red Rose Signatures? Yes. The imaging of the Thiel CS6? Yep. But the one thing I learned is that no speaker, at least at this price point, has it all. The DA-1, for the money, had the really important things (the non-negotiables) and much of everything else. At the end of the day it was simply the best out there for the dollars in terms of what I really wanted in a speaker system.

Hope this helps in trying to determine whether this is a speaker that is worth a close look. The DA-1's are surely not for everyone, but for me they are bliss.
Fig, I couldn't agree more. I think amidst all the hype it is sometimes difficult to trust your own ears. One of several important things I learned in my two year exhaustive search was that more often than not my own impression of what I was hearing with a given speaker did not square with that of the review I read before the audition. While there were shared conclusions about many aspects of the sound (i.e. "dry treble", "forward presentation", etc) what differed ultimately was the tone of the author and the conclusion at the end of the review. I generally found the reviewers to be far more complimentary than they should--it seems there is a real reluctance to call things as they are and to hedge with criticisms. I also felt that the reviews focused on describing "sounds" produced by the speaker and never really got around to saying whether a musical whole was achieved. I must say, after several months of this I got a little tired of travelling (sometimes) great distances and chewing up precious time to hear a speaker that really didn't sound like music at all--it sounded like (generally excellent) hifi. While I could certainly analyze and appreciate what the designer was doing relative to other speakers I'd heard, few really moved me the way a live performance often does. My advice to anyone looking to put together a system would be to spend more time at live performances (of any and all kinds) and less demoing speakers etc. Then, when you are in the dealer showroom, you will know very quickly whether the system is producing hifi or music. With the Daedalus I knew immediately--as soon as I got to hear them in a decent room. At that point you really just have to trust your own ears and not be too concerned about what the reviewers think (or, should I say, write?) or what your audiophile friends will say when you tell them you bought a speaker they never heard of.
Finsup....I guess I'm not clear on what exactly you are asking. My "journey" is a long one, spanning over 20 years in this hobby. I've owned Spendors (SP 100's and SP1/2's) and like them very much. The SP 100 is one of the best speakers I've ever owned except it ultimately was too large and boxy for my room when I moved to a smaller space. The Harbeth's, to my ear, are better. They provide a more transparent window on the performance and are slightly less colored throughout the spectrum. If I could own one speaker regardless of how they looked (i.e. if I ever got a divorce) it would be the Harbeth Monitor 40.

Having said that, I've been looking for two years to find an attractive floorstander that sounds (nearly?) as good through the mids but with better bass and a bigger sound than my Compact 7's. The Daedalus DA-1's are where I landed. They are superb speakers that do most things very, very well. No, they do not have that electrostatic purity through the mids like the Harbeths, which is very important to me. But in all other things they exceed my Compact 7's and look really good doing it.

As to the Jean Marie Reynod and Audio Notes, I haven't heard them. Though a look at the Audio Note website showed an interesting approach.

Hope I've responded as you would have liked.