DAC shopping - Trying to sift through the Hype. Can I trust the reviews these days ??


Hi All,

Well I've been reading a ton of threads about DACs. This is a very complicated endeavor, trying to find a new DAC. My 1st question is: Can I trust all the Youtube reviews these days ?

Seems like everyone is promoting the same DACs. I'm looking into a R2R Dac. Tons of hype for Holo May,Cyan,Laiv Harmony,Denafrips. Are these truly great Dacs or are they just the flavour of the month ?. There is almost zero negativity towards these Dacs. It's kind of like when the Eversolo streamers came out. Seemed like every reviewer was pushing the Eversolo. So searching for a new DAC online almost seems like sponsored ADs everywhere, am I wrong in feeling this way ?

That all being said here is my criteria for a new DAC (Probably searching the used market to get best value)

I believe I want to go with a R2R Dac, but it's not a dealbreaker.

My budget: $1000-$3000

My system: Bryston 3B Cubed, VTL(tube pre),Bel Canto 3.7 Dac(with upgrades), Antipodes Ds-3(player/server).

I really enjoy my Bel Canto 3.7, but it doesn't have USB input and I'm curious how much better a DAC sounds in 2024, compared to an older Bel Canto,. My BC has an upgraded linear supply. Once again this DAC sounds beautiful, but when its not compared to anything......Maybe I'm depriving myself of a better DAC. This is the only DAC I've had with existing equipment.

I know plenty of you will say go audition as many DACs as you can, but that is difficult unless it's hooked up to my gear. Won't help going to a store with a DAC being hooked up to different gear.Plus I want to buy used. I can buy higher end with a bit of a discount.

 

From my research these are the DACs I'm thinking of pursuing:

Laiv Harmony

Denafrips Pontas ii

Holo Cyan

 

You can tell from my choices that I've been buying into the hype.

Please add to my list of DACs and please dispel any extra hype over the most talked about models.

Cheers.

128x128bunkertoy

If you’re sticking with USB, a newer DAC may be better depending on its USB implementation and interior clock.  Ideally, what you would want to do to compare apples to apples, is get a really good streamer like an Aurender N20, then plug its SPDIF and USB into your DAC simultaneously, and listen to both.  Then do the same with DAC #2, and see if you hear any differences.  USB uses the DAC’s clock, SPDIF the streamer’s clock.  A lot of variables.  It would be a shame to throw away a great DAC because it sounded bad with one input, and you were never able to hear it through its other inputs.  So, with USB only, theres a good chance you could get something like a Pontus, prefer it to your Bel Canto, and get rid of the Bel Canto, when it fact it was overall the better DAC…and you’d never know it.  And then a lot of people swear by cable quality, especially for SPDIF.  So testing conditions become important.

Lastly, you really need to live with a couple DACs for a long time to start to appreciate any differences.  Especially if one is new.  Break in is real with DACs.  And in the end, differences can be very subtle.  After only a few days, you may come to one conclusion.  Then if you wait weeks or even months, you may come to a different conclusion.  Try to have fun with it!  

@freediver +1 USB in my LossLess EE Ref is dead silent. It is all bout implementation.

Completely disagree with your criticism of Vinyl, total BS, again implantation is key. 

 

Lampizators sound very good and would definitely be an upgrade at that price point you might also look at Audio Note Dacs.

@bunkertoy 

FYI, TMR (The Music Room) is probably your best bet for used gear that you can return. Be aware that you will have to pay a restocking fee + shipping if you do.

There are other online dealers of new gear that will charge you the shipping but not the restocking fee, including; 

UpScale Audio

Listen Up! 

Audio Advisor

Audio Connection

Audio Advice

Music Direct 

Verdant Audio 

BTW, just because something is widely acclaimed does not necessarily mean it is overrated!  For example, the Pontus has been around for quite a while in different versions and it remains very popular and very well reviewed, both by professional reviewers and users. Would you like it?  I have no idea. You say you believe you would like an R2R DAC but until you try one, you will never know.  

 

 

@jimmy2615 That's good info. Fyi my Antipodes Streamer/Server is highly regarded. They make very solid units and have incredible online support.

My Streamer has both USB & Spdif. I'm using the Spdif with a Tellurium Q Waveform Cable. Because my Bel Canto doesn't have USB, I just can't tell which output of the streamer sounds best.

You are also correct about length of time spent with a DAC, .Ideally I purchase something and if I'm unhappy, sell it for another. Rinse & Repeat. That's when buying used is best instead of brand new.

@jond Lampizators don't come cheap. I am reading good things about Audio Note also.