Crossover questions


Well, the fact is that I am in the unlikely situation of my girlfriend WANTING a second system in my house. When we remodel the family room, she wants an A/V setup in there. That includes buying a nice(Lovan, VantagePoint, etc.) rack, and filling it with things like a tv, vcr, dvd player, amplifier, etc. She has been really into looking at racks and speakers lately. So, I told her that I can build a better pair of speakers than would ever be in the budget. I used to play around in this hobby a fair amount, but those days are a few years in the past. Now, I am faced with designing/building a pair probably in the next six months. My tastes, opinions, and views about audio have changed a lot since my speaker hobby days. Mostly in the realization that less is more, and that tubes appeal to me. That is why I am approaching all the great members of this site with my questions. I will build a pair of speakers that are definitely tube friendly. Maybe even take that to the next level. Very easy to drive. I think I will probably go with two midranges, because I am thinking about wiring them in series. The reason being the impedence would be doubled. Has anyone ever designed such an arrangement? I will run them flat out, with no capacitors, inductors, or resistors in the circuit. Moreover, I am considering wiring the entire crossover in series. Does anyone have experience in this area? I recognize that this was the way things used to be done a long time ago, and there aren't many of the proponents of the design around these days(other than Bud Fried). But everything old is new again. I do see renewed interest in series crossovers, so want to at least consider it. Bud is local to me, so I am thinking about contacting him. However, his designs were anything but easy to drive. I am also pondering whether or not I should use additional woofers on the low end. If I do that, I will equip them for biwiring, and may have to use a beefier amp on the bottom end. My most profound thank yous to all in advance for any opinions offered, Joe.
trelja

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My budget for building speakers is always based on the quality of the listening room first.
If there is another person involved, such as your girlfriend, her expectations need to be well understood.

You wrote about building a "pair of speakers" but an A/V system requires five speakers and one subwoofer. If possible, the five speakers should be identical. At the least, all three front speakers should be identical and oriented the same way (no hoizontal center speakers and vertical left and right speakers) for optimum fidelity.
The typical woofer-tweeter-woofer center speaker
sitting on top of a TV set in a horizontal orientation is a compromised (for better appearance) design placed in a less than optimum position. (The center speaker provides up to 2/3 of the sound energy in a typical film mix (excluding the subwoofer), so its design should not be compromised to make it 'look better' on top of the TV set).

Magnetic shielding will be a concern too.

To ensure your project is a success, I suggest thinking about three important subjects first:
(1) Room size and dimensions:
(For example, why waste your energy building five high quality speakers for a "low quality" small near-square room -- this type of room would also have a strong negative effect on subwoofer bass frequencies)

(2) Room acoustics:
Will you be able to treat the room so you get the less reverberant/dryer acoustics needed for A/V?
(Two channel stereo works best in a more reverberant than average room -- A/V does not).
Directional speakers (controlled dispersion) are also a plus for A/V, while wide dispersion speakers are best for two-channel stereo.

(3) What does the girlfriend REALLY want?
Women often are not as direct as men in their
conversations:
For example, is she thinking of five very small speakers and a small subwoofer hidden in a corner
or behind the couch?
- Is the appearance of the speakers more important than the sound quality?
- How flexible is the "budget"?

One question whose answer would clarify your post:
(a)When you wrote "two midranges", did you actually mean two "midrange-woofers" as in an Woofer-Tweeter-Woofer two-way design? That's what I assumed.

One comment on running woofers "flat out" (no crossover):
This is the most common arrangement in loudspeakers today (crossover = one capacitor and maybe one resistor) but almost all are cheap
speakers and don't sound very good.
-- There are a few exceptions:
I really enjoy my own EPOS ES-11 satellite speakers with no crossover at all on the small woofer. I recently enjoyed an audition of the $500/pair Triangle Titus speakers with a similar no-crossover woofer. The woofers in these speakers were especially designed to be used without crossovers. Without crossovers, MOST woofers available to DIY speaker builders would provide too much mid-range SPL relative to bass frequencies (no baffle-step compensation) and a rough frequency response at the high end of the woofer's frequency range.

I'm also not in favor of wiring woofers in series
because back-EMF from one driver will modulate the voice coil of the other driver. I don't know if this is audible -- maybe it's just an old wife's tale -- let others comment on whether this makes an audible difference.