Cross-talk and distortion, chief soundstage contributors...


In my continuing effort to learn about the "chemistry" of sound, I have recently been informed that it is significantly low (vanishing) distortion and avoiding crosstalk that supply the key sonic elements for deep, broad, tall, etc. soundstage... this, of course, is independent of speakers, pre-amp, cables, etc. I'm focusing on the amplifier, alone... Again, the issue here are the fundamental (amplifier) qualities involved in soundstage. Can anyone add some dimension to what I'm learning in this...

Thanks in advance,
listening99

Showing 4 responses by oldhvymec

What am I missing here. Crosstalk? What does crosstalk have to do with soundstage?. 

One or more information sources bleeding into the source being used? Crosstalk..

Usually through a  point to point preamp, with no RCA crosstalk caps.

Yes crosstalk is considered BAD. But pretty easy to fix. Crosstalk caps

Is there another type of crosstalk?

Differential as opposed to non differential? definite channel separation there..Left volume, right volume, no balance circuit, usually good indicator.

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Interchannel crosstalk:  the TOTAL amount  two channels are crossed.

vs

Channel separation: where they are NOT crossed at all.

vs

Crosstalk: one source bleeding into another source normally through a 
preamp.

Answer my own questions then. Words matter!!!

OP wants to know about interchannel crosstalk, not channel separation
again differential vs non differential amps, talking about amps, and sound stage, right..

Fully differential preamp and amp will give the best results.  That is the quest OPs on, right, wrong? Eliminate distortion via complete channel separation.

What does a cart have to do with that, all carts have channel separation issues. Still the best when it's right.

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erik_squires
8,583 posts
04-19-2020 2:21pm
Answer my own questions then. Words matter!!!

If this was directed towards me, I am not obligated to reply to anyone. I often chose to reply to people who are nice and use complete sentences and make cogent arguments which leave open the possibility of a misunderstanding.

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heaudio123367 posts04-19-2020 2:37pmI will take that as directed towards me ....
Channel separation is a measure of cross-talk between two complementary channels. Yes words matter. Understanding what those words mean is important too :-)
One source bleeding into another is also cross-talk. Tends not to be an issue in any competently designed product.

No guys I'm dence. It takes me a while to catch on, and figure it out.

But channel separation and crosstalk are two different things, when it comes to balance in a stereo. Crosstalk is the point where two channels cross and the communication between the two exist.

Channel separation is the point where there is not any communication between the two.  Two entirely different thing. 

I use to measure crosstalk, on a job site so I could get the best channel separation. Between wireless remotes. 

That why I didn't understand.

No finger pointing, thumbs pointed back. No ones obligated to answer, I'm just obligated to TRY to understand. Personal thing...

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georgehifi6,991 posts

Thanks I understood how you explained it.

What about two preamps like a pair of C4s and two monoblock amps.
How is the phantom center created? Only from the source?

I could never get great stereo sound out of mono preamps paired with mono power amps. I never tried it the other way around, two mono preamps on a stereo power amp, though.

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