Counterfeit Chinese Cables


I thought that I would write this for those who are curious about one of the many counterfeit Chinese interconnect cables that are available these days. I know that there have been threads about the subject before, and I was always curious because they seem to be such a bargain. I don't really recall much about what any members actually said about the performance of these counterfeit cables, and I didn't look back and do any research, but a couple of months ago there was a thread that came around to discussing the quality of Chinese made components, and oldhvymec said something that made sense to me.

He said that people that say that what they are making is junk should consider that much of what is in our gear, and a lot of our American brands are actually manufactured there. I decided shortly after that that I would take the chance on a set of interconnects, because I suspected that the interconnects going from my pre to my amp were the weak link and needed upgrading. The interconnects going from my DAC to my pre were Kimber Select which are very good, but the other set were LAT International (now defunct) which had cost $500.00 when new, but I had reason to believe they were lacking because I have one of their digital cables that turned out to be very poor sounding in comparison to others I own.

I decided on a one meter pair of counterfeit Nordost Odin interconnects for a total of $104.00 from Aliexpress. I received them a couple of weeks later. They appeared to be well made, and the locking fake WBT rca's were very impressive and are very tight. 

First impressions after installing them were light, thin sound, lacking bass. Each couple of days brought improvements, but from the beginning I noticed that they were quieter. Now, weeks later, I can say that they are drastically better that the LAT's in every way. Detail and ambience are much better, but it's the focus and separation of instruments that is most noticeable. 

I have no way of knowing if they are really a copy of the Nordost design, but I am impressed enough that I am going to try a counterfeit Nordost digital cable.

Obviously, this isn't a comparison that is useful to most, because there probably isn't anyone here using the LAT's, and everything is system dependent. I just wanted to relay my positive experience. 

Nordost ODIN&2 RCA Fever Audio Signal Cable Double Lotus Sterling Silver Audio Cord Video CD Amplifier Tube Cable High Quality| | - AliExpress

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The problem is that "the real" are fake, and "the fake" are about as real as "the real". It all comes down to the pseudo science and fake claims made by the big bucks cable companies. What is "real" about both are the materials used to make them-- and in the case of many cable fakes, those materials are about the same.

I’d be willing to bet anyone that they could not hear any difference consistently between the real and the fake in any decently run double blind test.

IMO, "the real" are sometimes more fake than "the fakes"-- because of the absurd and unsubstantiated claims made by "the real" cable companies. You know, the ones making OBSCENE profits from selling you "the real" versions.

Do good cables make a difference? Yes! Is there even more difference if you spend thousands per cable? Sorry, nope, nada, no way, no how.

@thyname :

Didn’t you say on the other thread you never post about cables? Every single post of yours here is about cables. Some pathological hatred you have, maybe from your childhood?

The reason I take the time to post about cables is that IMO the companies that make the extremely expensive ones make baseless claims that do not even remotely justify the stupid money they are asking for so many of them. This is akin to selling snake oil-- baseless claim and obscene profits. Sorry if that bugs you, but everything that I have said about this subject is incontrovertibly true. Disagree? Then take me up on one of my testing scenarios and show me that you can reliably rank cables based upon their price. I have a pretty high resolution system BTW, and have experimented with cables for years. I'm still open to being wrong, but I don't need to tell myself fibs in order to feel that I'm right. Better to focus on your actual gear and room acoustics than the occult claims of cable manufacturers. There are far too many conmen in this hobby-- I think they SHOULD be outed for making BS claims. Maybe it will save a few folks exploring these forums from joining the army of true believers and getting ripped off in the process. So why does that bother you so much?

@thyname Why does it bother YOU so much to feel the need to participate in threads you have zero interest in? That's the question.

Because it is a cultish con-job.

There are a lot of people out there that love audio and want to do right by their systems-- not just pi$$ money down a blackhole when there are far better ways to improve the sound of their systems. Making baseless claims about obesely expensive cables is a con-job. Perhaps you need to get over your resentment of the people that simply and helpfully point that out. 

@jerryg123 Guarantee you your $40.00 fake interconnects sound nothing like the real deal. But then again you are a cable denier. both you and @wesheadley

Guarantee you that you cannot not rank five quality cables by their price. Nobody is saying a $40 cable is equal to a $40k cable-- the materials cost between those to poles would be vastly different. I think spending hundreds on a quality cable is more reasonable when you look at materials and time-- and when you look at it from that perspective, then no, you cannot qualitatively rank a set of cable's audio quality by price.

No one is telling anyone here that has more money than brains not to drop $40k on a cable. Just don’t waste your time with specious booshwa about how much better cables costing thousands sound than cables costing hundreds. You would never pass such a test. In fact, no one would. Want to bet?