http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dac11001a.pdf
www.ti.com/product/DAC11001A
They are also voltage output, as you know I prefer current output dacs that I can do my own current to voltage (I/V) conversion stage on.
Cheers George
Comparison of latest DAC chips
Hey Abraxilito nice find, it is for audio too and the pro side. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dac11001a.pdf www.ti.com/product/DAC11001A They are also voltage output, as you know I prefer current output dacs that I can do my own current to voltage (I/V) conversion stage on. Cheers George |
daledeee1 OP The Denafrips Terminator and the Holo Spring Level 2 or 3 are very close, the Holo can also be switched to NOS (none upsampling) which I preferred, and it can do DSD if you ever need to listen to it. https://www.stereophile.com/content/holoaudio-spring-kitsun%C3%A9-tuned-edition-level-3-da-processor https://kitsunehifi.com/product/holo-audio-spring2-dac-kitsune-tuned-edition/ Holo now have the "even better" May Dac https://kitsunehifi.com/product/holo-audio-may-dac/ This is a good paragraph from the Stereophile review to give an insight to it’s sound.
Cheers George |
Most all music we listen to is recorded to PCM. https://ibb.co/Gv2G6LB Quote from the DSD guide.com last year. " Try teaching DSD recording to a PCM engineer... even the best... and you’ll find roadblocks and complaints of how hard it is to record in DSD." Despite the marketing hype, there are almost no pure DSD recordings available to consumers. This is partially because up until quite recently there was no way to edit, mix, and master DSD files. So most pure DSD recordings that are commercially available are the rare DSD recordings made from a direct-to-analog recording, or those recorded direct to DSD without any post-production. There are some new studio software packages that can edit, mix, and master in DSD, but these are quite rare in the industry, and mostly used by small boutique recording companies. Most DSD recordings are, in fact, edited, mixed, and mastered in 5-bit PCM Here are some statements from recording engineers. "Recording in DSD and then converting PCM is only introducing noise into the PCM signal." " Recording in DSD for a DSD only release, get the best from DSD." There are almost no pure DSD recordings available to consumers. " Recording in DSD to later convert to PCM, doesn’t make any sense" Yes some DS dac lovers here are going to get testy over this post, but there it is. Cheers George |
Really! this once again because you missed it, as I posted way back. " When a PCM file is played on a native DSD single-bit converter, the single-bit DS DAC chip has to convert the PCM to DSD in real-time. This is one of the major reasons people claim DSD sounds better than PCM, when in fact, it is just that the DS chip in most modern single-bit DACs do a poor job of decoding PCM." |
DCS Ring dac converters are also similar to the newer top level stuff from Burr Brown and Analog Devices, being hybrid, which are part R2R and part DS, (Delta Sigma, 1bit, Single Bit, ESS, Bitstream) or whatever other pseudo names DS has. Burr Brown/ Texas Instruments, Analog Devices now are doing "hybrids" with their better d/a converters, 4 or so bits of R2R and the rest DS. This makes them more expensive to make than DS but said to sound better, yet still no where near as expensive to make as full R2R was, the reason R2R was dropped in the first place and 1 bit DS (delta sigma) took over, because it was very much cheaper to manufacturer than R2R. But things seem to be going full circle again and R2R is being shown for what it is, bit perfect for converting PCM, where DS is just a facsimile. And many Dac makers are now doing full R2R again in "discrete form", and the results of the good ones are better than the last of the great full R2R converter chips from AD Texas/Burr Brown ect ect Cheers George |
Another external DAC I am interested in is the Denafrips Terminator. I am looking forward to someone doing a comparison with the Lumin X1. Just a review on the Holo, it’s good, so are the bench tests, with questions on the NOS mode, which I thought sounded the best on the Alexia 2 and Gryphon Antillion, so big and open and effortless, with no rolling off at the extremities or any dynamic compression. https://www.stereophile.com/content/holoaudio-spring-kitsun%C3%A9-tuned-edition-level-3-da-processor Cheers George |
daledeee1 As for the Deafrips, when I mentioned the "better hi-end R2R dacs" as the ones that will convert PCM better than DS based chips, it was the the Denafrips Terminator I was referring to. And also from Asia the Holo Spring level 2 or level 3 are also very good, especially in NOS (none over-sampling) mode Cheers George |
TotalDac measures so lousy you might as well say it’s broke. Really!! You should hear how broke it is, in my friends system here, he’s the editor of SoundStage. It sounds magnificent. https://www.soundstageaustralia.com/index.php/reviews/84-wilson-audio-specialties-alexia-series-2-lo... Cheers George |
This can also be added to that list of R2R Mutibit dacs the Audio Mirror Tubadour III It's getting raved about and uses the Analog Devices R2R Multibit AD1865N-K flagship DAC chip And is can do DSD if you feel the need to. It's said to be "the best and most analog and musical sounding DAC "chips" ever made."I have heard this chip in other units it's very good like the PCM1704 in a Linn CD12 I have, but the new breed of discrete R2R sound even better, from makers like MSB I have, TotalDac ect ect ect. They bring life back to music, instead of being a bit of a yawn like the DS chips do. Cheers George |
Don’t know abraxalito, got that list from someone else they sent me, didn’t bother to check all of them. Also can say all the MSB’s are R2R Multibit save for the very first 1999-2000 LinkDac models that used bit stream Delta Sigma PCM1738-32’s then went discrete R2R in 2003 with the Platinum LinkPlus and never looked back at Delta Sigma again. Cheers George |
Can’t comprehend the Queens English either sunshine, there’s no hope for you!. Then maybe there is, after you answered this. Now you just need an R2R dac to get the best from PCM that you prefer so much.
rossb80 posts08-14-2019 8:17pmNo, I prefer PCM. |
Just rejecting your preposterous statement that all R2R dacs are inherently betterDidn’t say "all" sunshine, I said the better hi-end ones, now your generalizing, with that "preposterous statement". For those interested in what the better hi-end ones are that are R2R Multibit here is a list, it’s about a year old now, there are even more now and even better ones to add to it. Trinity Dac Ypsilon Cdt-100 Phasure MSB Platinum Total Dac Audial (Peja Rodgic) AMR top dac and cdp (Thorsten Loschec) Exasound Reimyo CH precision Holo Denafrips This is the reason why R2R is better, Delta Sigma can only give you a facsimile of PCM, where R2R Multibit is bit perfect. MoJo Music quote: " When a PCM (redbook) file is played on a dsd, sacd or Bit Stream converter, the DAC chip has to convert the PCM to DSD in real time. This is one of the major reasons people claim DSD sounds better than PCM, when in fact, it is just that the chip in most modern single-bit delta sigma DACs do a poor job of decoding PCM. Cheers George |
Sabre ES9038, a chip brand that has a reputation of being analytical at the expense of musicality.Not even analytical, a good "discrete" R2R dac is even more detailed, yet it’s airier with much more musical sense and far more body to the mids, and then there’s the unmatched bounce and slam to the music they have as well. Cheers George |
It’s got a AKM (Delta Sigma) dac in it, said to be better than ESS, they did use to use ESS and then went to AKM. Good for the money, but they are not hiend sound, I found them sweet polite not much "jump factor" didn’t keep me interested in what I was playing, chopping and changing albums looking for something to keep my attention Cheers George |
daledeee1 OPThis is a good as simple as one could do article, that compares the two hardwares (converters) and softwares (recordings). https://www.mojo-audio.com/blog/dsd-vs-pcm-myth-vs-truth/ Cheers George |
daledeee1 Give me one of the now many discrete R2R Mulibit conversions circuits in dacs that a lot of hiend manufactures are now using, over any DSD chip equipped dacs. Cheers George |