Clement Perry's new reference speaker

Tbg, the bottom half is for someone else (X).

Sorry for confusion.

$88,000........a pair.
How many owners you think are there......?
I mean , come on.
$30,000 - Component cable........anyone.

But hey, we can talk about it......but what is the point.

I am not doubting that they are really good
but so is Ferrari. Drove one ?....NO, would i like to hell ya ?
However, Ferrari is real - how real is Sunny,
only Clemente Perry knows.
And lets keep it that way.

I am sorry but I have nothing more to add """"

WHO IS HE ?????????????
TO TELL ME WHAT SOUNDS GOOD,
AND WHAT DOES NOT.

I LIKE TO SHARE EXPERIENCES, LISTEN/TALK TO OTHERS.
BUT, WHEN IT COMES TO SPANDING MY MONEY - FINAL
DECISION IS 100% MY OWN.

IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW, FINE...BUT FOLLOW YOUR OWN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>EARS<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

" choosing your own path is quait difficult
but it is also the most rewarding "

Just came back from CES this morning.
I stand behind my earlier statements.

Faaaaaar from the best..........
Then again - who cares what I think is the best or ...... close to the best would be more accurate.
(give or take $88,000 - that is the price. Super tweaters - about $1500)
How did it sound.......well, let me put it this way -
I forgot already. How is that for an answer.

I hope he got them at 75% off retail price.
If not.......I agree with Tbg.

IF you want a big, full range and well balanced sound
check out EVOLUTION ACOUSTICS MM three ( introductory price, around $35,000 to $40,000 - but will change in a week or two to about $70,000). Together with darTZeel electronics their provided a very well balanced and musical experience.

Of course there were other speakers that are worth mentioning here but if someone is looking for one of the best.......this would be in the top 10.

Mrtennis,
I share your enthusiasm and preferences towards electrostats etc (still own ML). However, try to be just a little open minded and NOT so bias - for the conversation sake.

Mmitch7711,
It could be the room, I don't know.
Sound was OK, but that is it, no more or less.
Room size was good. Speakers were pulled about 1/3 in to the room, with plenty of room to breath.(this is the only picture I got). EVOLUTION ACOUSTICS were in much worst room (small with low ceiling & kitchenette in the back of the room) and perform way better in my opinion.

I could be wrong, but I did not see any partition in this particular room. Electronics, speakers, cables and about 15-20 chairs. I did not see any room treatments but that was a common seen at the CES.

I suggest to use some treatment in my friend's rooms but he refused (plus eq. iso. stands)......why????
He wanted to show how it would sound in an average home.
TOO BAD.....it could have sound a lot better.

I agree, that audition should take place in your own home (listening room). Usually, all speakers will sound better
in your (or my) room then some ballroom at CES or RMAF.
Dealers, manufactures when preparing for these shows rush through set up and calibration which often leads to sound that is less then perfect. Great products turns out (here) questionable and controversial. Sad but truth.

"Hard for me to view these as bright or fuzzy"

I have never said that they are bright or fuzzy.
What I said was that sound was OK but not GREAT.
Which is quite disappointing.
If you are interested in these speakers, don't pay attention what I or others have to say - just try them if you can.

I wish that I could be helpful, but I don't know how.
I hate to see fellow audiophiles spend huge amount of money on something they will regret latter. I just hope that you gone make the right choice - whatever it might be.

I have NOTHING against Sunny or C.Perry but if I was prepared to spend that kind of money on speakers...........they do better be the Best there is at least to my ears.

If you ask me:
would you get it if you had the money......I just don't know. I would do my best to give them a fair shot but at this moment......I have to say no.

(It is my opinion ONLY, your ears might hear differently)

If I have invited you to my house for a listening session and evaluation of my new speakers etc. .........YOU better say something nice or you gone see a pink slip in your
E-mail.

Mariusz Stark

I do not work for Stereotimes in any capacity

I do know that.......Wasn't directed towards you.

"I love music and I enjoy listening to it through the best equipment I can"

So do I.....

"You might want to review your own integrity before you post any comments of that sort in the future."

?????????? ITEGRITY........please, give examples.
I am an open book.....try to be honest - always.....if that is the crime.........shot me in my heart !!!!!

" if your post implies that because I was invited to Clement's house to listen to his new speakers I had to write something nice, that is pretty irresponsible and outright accusatory. "

...........You think ???

Because, someone thinks or believes in something it doesn't makes it so. Am I entitled to have an opinion base on my short encounter with Majestic Spks ???............to some yes - to some no. According to You, Greg and Clement those speakers are THE ONES and anyone with a different opinion is full of s..t and full of agenda (or just on different level then Alfa and Omega). Well....if that is truth then it apply to 95% of audiophile community. (I know Greg and Clemente might not think that but one of "Tree Musketeers" ....is, guess who)

"charta non erubescit" - very true.

Mariusz Stark

My apologies.
It should say:
I have nothing more to ad

1.Sir Greg, is your place the ONLY place to audition these speakers ???

2. Did you have to make any adj/changes to your system (besides re-EQ with RCS)?

3. What cables (spk, IC, PC) are used with Sunnys ?

4. Is the sound in your room more or less the same as the sound in Sunny's room during CES in Vegas ???

Mariusz Stark

Wait......money no object....am I missing something???
Yes, I agree that Sunny speaks would make it to that list but......this is not it....is it???
And.......besides the fact that:
a. They cost is almost 100K
b. You will need 2 pro moving comps. or few Spartans from "300"
c. Lovely and saint wife to let the beasts in.

You will need a state of the art room and components to get the best out of these speakers.......if money is in fact no object.

You are right I am not in that "league".
Actually I am in the league of common sense and passion for music. And in my opinion, it is not ART or SKILL to spend silly money to feel good about yourself. The skill to build the reasonable, listenable, enjoyable foot topping system is what I am all about.
And do keep in mind.....I have heard Sunnys and I wasn't floored.
And HONEST"1" try to be more honest and come down from the clouds on the ground where most of us audiophiles/music lovers are.

Cheers

Happy listening &
enjoy the music

Gawdbless ( just one setup of many )

Emerald Physics CS2
Controlled Directivity Loudspeaker (need to be bi-amp)
Bella EXtreme 3205 Signature w/EL34 output tubes (top)
Bella EXtreme 3205 Signature w/6550 output tubes. (bottom)
Conconance Droplet (driving the amps directly)
And $800 left for speaker wires and interconnects (I like Morrow. It doesn't pay to spend a fortune)

Clement

Thank You for the invide but if I could,
I would like to give up my seat (in that BMW-7S)to Honest1,

Like You said - driving and seating inside with the key in your hand.....two different things. Right?

P.S
If You feel that through your present system "AUDIO NIRVANA" has been achieved.
I think it is time to shut down and enjoy the music.
Us regular folks, will be here.....on THIS SILLY FORUM.

Tbg,

Reference 3A Grand Veenas were one of the speakers that I have hoped to hear but did not.....my lost.
If you do not mind me asking,
what room did you hear the EP-CS2s in ???
And what did you not liked about them.
I am not questioning your judgement. Just curious, that is all (I think there was more then one set-up. I could be wrong).

My visit to Reference Audio Mods room during 2008 CES was a positive one. $3000 speakers were set up in a difficult room but still managed to turn heads. Their set up was nice but hearing those CS2s with some modded tube gear were even more suprising. Also feeding them quality and less edgy source benefits their performence even farther(IMO).

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I MAY NOT be as experienced like some hear, but my intentions are clear, uncolored and not influenced by anything or anyone.

I do NOT want this to become personal.....becouse it would be a suicidal.........not for me since I have nothing to loose. I don't kiss a...s, I don't suck up to no one. No need. I am myself - that is all.
My house is open for audiophiles, and healthy conversation - always.

We are all entitled to our opinion, whatever that opinion might be. But what gets me the most is, the opinion that becomes "the formula" that is being introduce as the rule for rest to follow.

I have absolutely nothing against Sunny speakers, what their are and what they represent. They might be excellent speakers for someone with room, components that would do them justice. Are these the Best ?.........is there such an animal?........is there a system which is a true reference for the rest?......is it within our reach?.......so many questions. I don't think there is a definite answer.
DO YOU.......?????

I am not doubting Clement's intention or hospitality.
Just his motives and methods.

*It is hard to argue, while visiting both "The Stereo Times" & "Sunny cable" websites and seeing "real affection towards each other. How sweet.

Arguing who would benefit from Sunny's performance (if there is any) and who can afford it, is a wast of time.
A real value vs performenc in real live scenario is a question I am asking. If Mr. Clement feels that a CES set-up sucked....well who (or what) is to blame? If I am responsible for the success of my product, you bet that I am going to make the best of it......whatever IT TAKES !!!
I am not doubting your knowledge, expirience or taste ( and definitely not your hospitality) but giving the false hope to those that read your comments ( even hearing your great rig ) does not tell all the story. It is not just Sunnys .........it is the whole set-up and most importently
- executioner.
And if you have read all my answers you would know that I have never said that Sunnys are a bad speakers in any shape or form. From MY EXPIRIENCE they sounded OK for the asking price. But then again who am I to tell you what they sound like. It could be my ears or another factor....I don't know. What I know is this:
MANY, MANY AUDIOPHILES READ THIS SILLY FORUM AND WE WILL BE JUDGED BY WHAT WE PUT DOWN ON A BLANK PAGE. ONES IT IS DOWN, YOU CAN NOT TAKE IT BACK.

IF YOU FEEL MY INTEGRITY IS IN DOUBT, LET ME KNOW.
AND I WILL DO THE SAME.

Mariusz Stark

Happy listening
& enjoy the music.
That what this is all about.

For you, it is shouting - for me, kind of underlining few chosen words. Nobody is shouting here Tvad. Other then that I hope I have made my point clear.

To Sirspeedy
In order for me to get defensive
I would have to feel guilty or under attack
I don't feel neither (but let me know when)

To Tvad
Thank You for the lesson. I WILL TRY TO REMEMBER THAT.
(no shouting - got it)

To Honest1

1.You are right we have never met.
Most likely have more in common then differences.
Am I nice ?......LOL.....maybe.

Let me ask you something Honest1......

How many times have you been screwed by manufactures, their advertisements, greedy/dishonest blood hungry dealers and of course our trustworthy, objective solid as a rock - reviewers?
( And please don't tell me.....I know - not all of them are that bad but many are.....I should know)

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2. Do you truly believe that Sunnys are the "BEST SPEAKERS IN THE WORLD" (yes Tvad I know). I mean, even Clemente won't say that - if he wants his voice to still count.
And like You & I said :
It is not only the speaker that makes music.....sorry sound of music, but many factors that must be included in the final set-up. Human factor also should not be overlooked. It is the most importent ingredient. Without the listener - nothing matters. Our taste, budget, motives, personality, knowledge, determination dictate the path we choose. We as the audiophiles and/or music lovers have differences to be sure but what we all share is love and joy for music. It is a long and sometimes difficult journey. We remember our falls but don't want to think about them........we all would do it differently again if given a chance. But we can't. Learning from our costly mistakes we must. And where better the here and now. What this website gives us all is a different look, a fresh look and mostly honest experiences of audiophiles around the globe. Which magazine, reviewer or dealer can give you such a rich well of information, pointers and real answers? In my opinion, NON (no shouting).

3.I'd rather take the criticism from an as...le
then sweet talk from the snake. It is just me.

4.Like I have said earlier, I wasn't aware that this thread is about the most expensive/exotic speakers on the planet. I thought that we were questioning Clemente's choice and try to get a grip on what the Sunnys sound like.
What they can be compare to? What are benefits and issues of owning a pair? How they compare to Michael Framer's, Robert Harley's and other reviewers' systems or speakers?
That would truly be "the war of the wits"

5.As far as I know (and I might be wrong( Clemente is welcome to comment if he feels the need ). Clemente is using sophisticating room correction. If someone experienced what RCS can do to tailor the sound, you know what I mean. Have anyone heard those in by-pass mode at Clemente's place?
I don't think so. Next time ask for a brief switch between the modes.

Cheers
Enjoy the music

Mariusz Stark

Not bad.
Seems like being on the spot
does wonders ......in a good way. :)

Keeping the flow and quality of your reviews is\will be
more demending and difficulte.

I wish you luck and success as a writer\reviewer and
hope........that you will give your readers a sort of the looking window thrue which they will be able to understand and enjoy this hobby and music that moves us in that very special way.

P.S
I was really looking for a reason to get on your case while reading your review..........I did not found anything that would stained your shirt. .......that is a complment.

In some cases room correction can change the sound so much that is unrecognizable. In some cases for better. And in less skilled hands for worst. The sound You are getting through the use of RCS (I am not exactly sure what it is that You/Clement use at the moment and with which options/features) is far from the original (by-passed) reproduction. It all depends on the product You use to perform the correction duties, but my recent (bad) experiences with RCS that I thought was beneficial and estential to the peak performance of my system made me rethink its value to the whole concept of room acoustics. It could have been due to the fact that the unite was simply speaking outdated and inadequate to the rest of my not to fancy system. Or maybe I just have grown out of it.
Another possibility is that my present room is not as bad as my other rooms from the past. Its acoustic properties are quaite OK.
Last time I have had some friends over we used it in the system for the first time in months and it was just plain horrible. Robbed it from the details and transparency. It was one component in the chain too many.

Don't get me wrong, I am a believer in room acoustics and importance of controlling the interaction of the room & speakers. But the tools have to be carefully chosen for the job. Both You & Clement had obviously did your homework and your present system (intentionally or accidentally - doesn't matter) seems to greatly benefit the Sunny speakers set-up. How different from the CES 2008 is it?
I am not sure........but I though You said:

"It is called room correction, not speaker correction. If there is a problem with the speaker, it will be there no matter what."

and if it is true, they should not sound all that different in your set-up (of course in by pass mode - no RC). But if the difference is huge, You must admit that something else has to be responsible for it. If You shad a little more light on your set-up, maybe we could figure it out??? What it is, that made them sing the way You describe (and others).

In your last post You said few things that most audiophiles and I would consider rightness and honest....
I just hope it is sincere.

Comes down to experiencing system or speakers???
Where are we going with this?
Are we talking about system or Sunnys?

I've heard them reproducing music with components that were chosen
by the designer himself . How they benefited from the Behold gear, RCS or
other factors, only you can explain.
Not everyone can hear the sound you describe for simple reason -
it is in your and Clement's place. So it would be helpful for others to hear your side of the story , what gives and in more details/real answers.
I have pretty good idea what RCS you and Clement use but it would be nice to dig a little deeper and explain the reasons for its use. In your opinion , what other equipment is a good match with Sunnys or what else did you try them with??? How about setup.
Those are only some of the interesting questions.
But if those are answer in upcoming review.......we will just wait and then talk about it.
Cheers

Can't wait to
read it "dude".

So, let's put it to sleep until you finish your work.
I don't want you to make a silly mistakes , get some rest....
before round 2.

Later dude "G"

Not yet........Will check it out tonight.
Cheers