I would like to start a thread, similar to Orpheus’ jazz site, for lovers of classical music. I will list some of my favorite recordings, CDs as well as LP’s. While good sound is not a prime requisite, it will be a consideration. Classical music lovers please feel free to add to my lists. Discussion of musical and recording issues will be welcome.
I’ll start with a list of CDs. Records to follow in a later post.
Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique. Chesky — Royal Phil. Orch. Freccia, conductor. Mahler: Des Knaben Wunderhorn. Vanguard Classics — Vienna Festival Orch. Prohaska, conductor. Prokofiev: Scythian Suite et. al. DG — Chicago Symphony Abbado, conductor. Brahms: Symphony #1. Chesky — London Symph. Orch. Horenstein, conductor. Stravinsky: L’Histoire du Soldat. HDTT — Ars Nova. Mandell, conductor. Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances. Analogue Productions. — Dallas Symph Orch. Johanos, cond. Respighi: Roman Festivals et. al. Chesky — Royal Phil. Orch. Freccia, conductor.
All of the above happen to be great sounding recordings, but, as I said, sonics is not a prerequisite.
Ervin Nyiregyházi is one of my piano god....I dont have many....
He says " i dont mind really about the notes because what matters really is not there"...
Not the usual humility of an interpret to a composer... 😁😊
But the master of Ervin Nyiregyházi, Liszt, would have understood very well himself this iconoclastic way of playing....Our pianist is made of the same cloth that these notoriously "possessed" artists, Listz, Paganini or Scriabin....
I never listen to a more beautiful rendition of Liszt.....It is a heartfelt telluric playing where sophistication is only a memory not the center of the day....
With him we hear how a melody could be a spoken language....
Music dont accompany the written song here, music IS the original spoken word itself out of any language......
History of music is like history of philosophy and like any other cultural histories a reflection about consciousness and his own evolution and history...
Then the history of music like other histories mirror the heart and souls of the times we lives through, nothing less and nothing more.....
Then the painting, the music and all other traditional esthetical practice became nowadays more "technical reflections" of the overpowrering and idolatry of technology ...
Now, where on the world scene transhumanism, define, resume and incarnate the tragedy of our times; Art itself became a dying "human" activity which has been replaced by a more powerful craft, soon itself to be play by a Non-Human intelligence....
Human art is merely becoming the dust beside the emerging new magical craft.....
When all this is said.....
I strongly oppose to someone who would claim that ALL contemporary artists are degenerate, or meaningless...
Even in our epoch there is giants in art....But they are buried under the mass of con-artists or by the mass of good artisans who seek the hype and the idols of our times.....These great contemporary artists are not well known save very few of them and for very few "amateurs"...
A living interval of times is an Aeon...Each Aeon is able to recognize only what is dear to his heart, like all living entities....Our Aeon promote what is in his heart: the idolatry of technology and his "magical" craft....
My luck was I never had to go American High School . (no joke)
I had great luck or the misfortune, it depend of the perspective, to study Latin and Greek, English and French writing and reading for all my college years....
In sciences we studied basic but in our college it was not so worthy than learning how to read....I hated science course and particularly mathematics... Funny because i study mathematic by myself for decades beginning the year i quit college with my first chosen english book about numbers...
I guess learning to read was the goal or something fateful for me.... I go playing my all life work with this gift....
I was in ectasy after Bach discovery with Josquin Des Prez very young .. A music so spiritually high that it add something to my life forever...
I already post this post today on my thread: "seeing sounds and music ", but it is his place here too....
If you want to test your audio system but at the same time you want to discover a classical masterpiece:
The most spectacular and difficult piece of recording i have useful to test all aspects of sound including hearing from speakers a recording where the sound COME AROUND the listener and often BEHIND HIS BACK, all that with a stereo system...Believe me or not...😁😊
Philip Glass : AKHNATON
Here the great variety of sound timbres and frequencies, solo and choral voices with Wagnerian tuba and percussions...
A great part of the sound fill my room with often voices not only BESIDE me at left or right, but voices and instruments behind my listening position at the direct opposite of the 2 speakers...
A well done acoustical stereo room is sometimes almost quadraphonic in effects with some well recording piece in my experience....
This cd is impossible to beat for testing the presence of individual instruments and voices perfectly distinguished by their timbre in this enormous mass of musicians....The test for bass will be astoundingly good because of the timbre variety of the different instruments in the bass register...
The best test for any system is timbre voice, because each human voice own an individuality unique to living system and gives a set of acoustical subtle acoustical cues impossible to hear with any instrument ... And a big mass of instruments or enormous chorals are very difficult to be and stay musically detailled and not mainly indistinct noises on less good system and no controlled room...
This works is also an astounding piece of musical genius which i will resume in this description, which is exactly only that, a description in my words, of the way the composer summarize all the history of music in his own minimalist mastery:
You will "see" around you and not only hear, a huge cosmical and tellurically grounded Wagnerian and Scriabinian opera, transforming itself at some times in a big orchestral Brucknerian symphony which at times become a beautiful complex Monteverdian madrigals set which hide the germs of sublime but ONLY emerging simple masterful counterpoints mantras like in Bach or like in the 5th finale Bruckner symphony, counterpoints mantras that ends often in a powerful chord or a ceremony of drum rolls or an incantatory recitative, like in shamanic ritual of the past mixed with pre-gregorian influence....Astoundingly deep, efficient, and beautiful musically...
All musical genres fusionned here in a minimalist style in plain control, inspired by one of the master of the young Glass, the blind street musician classically educated Moondog, the so called Viking of the 50 th street at N.Y. Louis Thomas Hardin, friend of the young Glass and one of the creator of this "minimalist" style or at least a mentor of the young Glass....
No doubt here, Philip Glass is a great composer who will stay for the future history....
His Akhenaton is hypnotic and initiatic, transformative at the highest level...
I loathe no composers, or musicians, Ervin Nyiregyházi for example ,or any other musician 😊 even if i had my own taste, choices, or habits...Loathing reflect more about us than about the music itself....
And loving Glass dont impede my love for Mozart "Cozi fan tutte" for example...
Then if someone take the time to express loathing about something, new, unknown, and perhaps about something he is not curious or ready to discover, perhaps the loathing is less useful than he think....
I dont remember loathing any kind of musical genre, even heavy metal...
I loathe too much decibels though....
Must i erase my recommendation ? Yes if too much people here loathe it...
By the way i dont remember to take my time to wrote hard words about a recommendation of music here or elsewhere because it is not abolutely pure "delicacy" to my fragile and sensitive taste....I guess i can chew much than some....
Thanks i will wrote about satyagraha tomorrow or in next few days...
I am fascinated also by the person of Akhnaten and also Gandhi and for sure Einstein...
What is surprizing also is the fact that Glass has written operas about Kepler and Galileo...
I am fascinated by Kepler, because he was a true master astrologer amd not only one of the greatest modern astronomer... He is an extraordinary mix of the modern consciousness of the individuated separated "i " and of the consciousness of the past participating " I"...
I want to know how the composer resolved and express all this mix in his music writing....
For Gandhi satyagraha i feel before listening to it that the composer will use "hypnotic" influence of Indian classical music which i love dearly...
I will not call a one line post with no explanation with the words " i loath it" an especially friendly and polite reception... Usually when someone post something i dont like so much i dont take my time to only say i loathe it WITHOUT EXPLANATION...
You site Mozart , can you honestly say that Philip Glass’s music is as good as Mozart’s or to take it even farther Bach !
Your argument is ridiculous, no composer is beside Bach for me or over Mozart....Must we only speak about Beethoven, Mozart,Bach and no more about Scriabin, Sorabji or Busoni or other geniuses way smaller than Bach?
Then Glass being way less important than Bach or Monterverdi must stay in the closet?
I think I have earned the right to loathe one or two modern composers.
I dont like Stockhausen at all, but i will not wrote "a one line" loathing post against another poster who love him and take the time to explain why he love him...i will pounder his arguments and reflect about our different perspectives... It is called educated thinking...
Then dont confuse the right to your choices with politeness...It is a public thread or a closed private club?
And the ability to play an instrument dont give any more weight to your post or opinion than to mine , because the ability to listen is not less important...
I will never take personal an explanation opposite to something i defend , but a one line loathing post is what? A personal attack, or if it is not one, it is mimiking one... At your age you certainly feel what i speak about without a necessary drawing...
If you need a drawing think about that :
Do you think that your one line loathing exercise give to me the taste to wrote about satyagraha tomorrow?
Some people think that music must continue to ’evolve’. And this is true. Most things do evolve. However, ’evolve’ does not mean ’get better’.
No genre that I am aware of has always gotten better. Some, like Classical are performed at a higher level than they were previously, but this is due to better recording technology, better trained players / conductors, better instruments in general... etc but the compositions are not getting better. Same applies to Jazz, Rock, Pop, Blues, spirituals, and others. Remember, the Bell Curve still rules.
BTW, I said Glass put me to sleep because it really did. :)
Cheers
Also, remember The Frogman’s First Law.
Truly great post!
Thanks very much....
First i want to apologize to you because i read your past post out of your context and place and misread it in my context and place...
I misread your intention, then i apologize....
Your post is really great observation...
Music in occidental consciousness history has evolved not toward always the best and the better ,sometimes for the less and the worst....It is particularly evident in our times...
The reason linked to this deep fact is a loss of creativity on the spiritual ground...
However in spite of these facts some geniuses stay hidden or veiled because their spirit participate more, of a relatively long history, or of a too much distant future...
There is two people here who publicly say they loathe Wagner and Liszt. I happen to love both those composers for the music they wrote but I hate Wagner as a human being so am I wrong to say that now?
Perhaps i overreacted reading your post jim
It is alas! my passionate temper again....and i think i was too much enebriated by this Glass opera i was just going out of it...
I sincerely apologize to you and i perfectly understand that between friends we are not in the obligation to think the same about any composer...
Music is not there to be loved only , like we love our most precious esthetic values and chosen love one or our childs...
Music is to be thought of like a "mystery at play" in our body and mind and soul, and we must wait for a new surprizing and sometimes troubling revelation each time ....Music teach us something and is not only an esthetical possession by our feeling, it is also an ethical an spiritual education of the will, a yoga... ...
But we must be ready...
I was ready to welcome Philip Glass....
This music is at the genius level of Wagner not so much by creating something ideologically "new" like in the Wagner purely "german" case, but by reinitializing ancient spiritual experience in the brain/heart stratas of all humans....
I listened Satyagraha this night and i was not disappointed at all...
I dont know which one i prefer, i will say that Akhnaten seems more formally mature and i think was written 4 years after Satyagraha...
Anyway the music in Satyagraha is like in Akhnaten , incantatory, but at a level near gripping ectasy...
Then like meditation and silence could be boring to some, a ritual could be insupportable for unprepared listener... And to appreciate these operas we must see and lived immersed through them anyway...It is not works written to be evaluated at distance by esthetical values on a performance scale, it is a world revelatory of the deepest and the oldest stratas in the human mind.... It is way more intense work than only a merely beautiful work.... They are more like therapeutical catharsis....They dont move you by touching feeling only , they grip you completely at the level of the will...
Glass created here more than a mere "art" work but reach the level of Bach passions, which are way more than an exercise in musical style....A spiritual event is not a pleasurable distraction....( By the way here i dont say that Glass has the musical genius mastery of Bach, no one have this mastery in occidental history for me, i only say that this 2 works of Glass may be impactful in the future like Bach passions were in traditional christianity, they own this potential)
History is throwd in the cosmos like in very ancient religion and is based on experience not on dogmas as much...This feeling of Akhnaten pervade also satyagraha... The force of the will here is a cosmic event not only a human free choice...
We must listen very carefully to appreeciate this opera which is thought to be like in Wagner, a worldwide event impactful ceremony, a bit like the spiritual musical ceremony to save the world in Scriabin idea ....
No direct use of classical Indian music permeate the work, instead a telluric inspiration coming more from very old rythms or hypnotic varying melopea remind me of pre-historical tales......
This music grip us and is designed to do so like in trance ceremony, or probably the rythm in ancient mysteries...
This music is created by Glass and suggest to me that the consciousness level of the artist put him on touch with the common spiritual ground of any religion : the pure experience of the sacred...
His operas , all of them, but i know just 2 for now,remind me of the "Passion genre" in occidental musical history....And after all Christ has revealed also the most intimate human experience with God on the world stage for ALL and each humans not for a few chosen one...Satyagraha is the " passion" for justice and freedom....
Glass made history with these 2 works....
It is not moving melodies who will stay in your ear, it is complete transformative ceremony designed to rewire the brain...
I enjoyed my Nyiregyhazi Lizst LP for a good while but, yeah, he’s not exactly for the long haul.
I think we must not judge E.N. on the same scale than most others contemporary pianists...
Sometimes a genius put the scale balance himself and created it and accept to be weighted only by his own standards...
Being a "romantic" player means, in the case of E.N. like it was for Liszt , of which he was almost a direct pupil, means i said, not a "rendition" of written music like it was written from the sheet information, not at all...
It means recreating the works for the TIME moment actually in process, to WORK and transform the listener soul and consciousness willing it or unwilling...
It is first an intense ceremony and it is a beautiful possible experience only in a secondary manner...
No intense ceremony can be produced WITHOUT to some level the active conscious/subconscious participation of the listener... If a beautiful object wait passively there to be seen for example, a loving woman need an active embrace...Love is not an esthetical experience only...
E.N. passionnately hated with all the power of his soul concert touring, his abandonning of his carreer and the paying price is testimony for that...He never practice nor even own a piano for decades...He afford one when he can between his 10 wifes he must successfully feed before paying for a decent room with a piano.... He lives a life of misery and glory at the same time... We must read about his life to understand😊
A sacred ceremony cannot be a concerts string of repeated same works.... E.N., like Liszt was, according to the history and legend, way more than a pianist reproducing some work, it was a theurge recreating the link between God and man....
Then comparing him to the average great pianist is meaningless...A volcanic eruption does not compared to a mountain so great the mountain is....
It is easy to point to some " imperfections" of his playings... But to repeat a great french poet René Char, "imperfection is the peak"....No one ever played at the end of a broken chain, with so much power at his own risk...NONE....
Like seeing an angel is terrible, and was, saying Rilke, like seeing "death",listening E.N. is not at times tasting a beautiful piece at all...It is being transformed by the event, willing or unwilling, by going for it or going back with contempt and fear or hate away from it.... So is God or a volcanic eruption, some throw themselves in the crater others panicked or only careful and cautious go back and retreat in more pacified water....
I think we live in an era where listening music is no more only a "cultural" activity, but also no more only a religious activity either...
It is more nowadays a conscious spiritual activity ...With all the reproducing technology, music is no more confined to be a social or familial event only....
We are listening nowadays not the sound only, but the effect of the sound traveling through our body to our heart and from our heart to our "seeing"....This fact is reflected in the musicians playings and the listeners alike...
We listen not the music style so much sometimes than the effect of the music on our own Body/heart/brain...These are 2 different complementary way to listen...
One is a cultural and a nostalgia habit, the other is a search of meaning more than a leisure...
Minimalism, dodecaphonism, gong and hymalayan bowls, or any "new sounds world" attract us now...They are the signs and symptoms of the new "aperspectival integral era" in musical history for the philosopher Jean Gebser...
Music is emotion yes, but also a " new meaning" we can "see" for the first time in history and which can push us toward a new kind of emotion or a new level of emotion...
It is a good thing sometimes to forget our own taste and go at risk....Muting the crocodile so to speak....
At the end music is an initiatic mystery....An introduction to the invisible cosmos seen through the internal eye : the ears...
Personally i discovered music with Bach very young...After that at mid-life with Scriabin and Bruckner and Mahler....They changed my way of "seeing" music...
In the last 20 years i discovered that all written music and unwritten one is played by musicians...
I listen musicians now more than music.... 😊
Then i can listen any genres or styles, because i listen more the musician effect on me than the music he choose to play....
Music is like some plants at the origin of many religious experience a way to open our consciousness...And music is more subtle in his action than LSD or psylocibyn but no less potent on a life long period....
This is the reason why music is also a fundamental social and cultural,spiritual and therapeutical need and a "drug" only music can give for the best or for the worst...
Music is like an economical "spatial ship" to explore the stars or our own metabolism ...Nothing less for me....
I consider myself a Christian, with no church affiliation though...
I like choral religious music a lot...On par with Bach.... 😊 For me Josquin Des Prez is a musical god, and Tallis and Obrecht ,Gesualdo and too many others to be named...
Between Hildegard of Bingen and Bach the number of musical known geniuses COMPOSERS by me exceed the number of geniuses composers i know of in the period beginning AFTER Bach till our day ...
And sometimes so good a modern genius is , it does not move me like an old one....Glass whom i like a lot is not a genius on the level of Schutz or Vittoria or Schubert or Bruckner...This is clear...But it is also clear how Glass inherited from the growing seeds of these master in him....His music make sense in this history not out of it....I will place Glass with Villa-Lobos for example and others great modern masters...Neither walk in the shoes of the past giants but they are admirable and original pupils at least and own a merit which is related to compositional and fusional techniques which are relatively new in their scope....
It is perhaps the opposite for the number of great musicians compared to composers in this century, i feel there is more geniuses playing musicians now more than ever.... Demographic? Technological succeess of music diffusion and reproduction? With the communicating interpenetrating cultures now , written music has receded in favor of improvisationnal playing and fusion....jazz was the begininng of the modern era for me....
A great % of my music collection is more improvised music than european written one....Some tanbur master may rival Bach on his own ground....Ostad Elahi for example....
And also astute observation of history has proven that the instinct toward the "sacred" when no more satisfied by genuine traditional religions oriente itself towards cults, uncontrolled irrational fears and idolatry and sometimes worst : new abominations and unrecognized and hidden "religious movement" like transhumanism....
The Art of the fugue of Bach is one of the rare pieces of music where i cannot stand and stay or vouch by only one interpretation....I collect them all...It is the greatest piece of music ever written... Not the most beautiful piece of music ever written no, think about Vivaldi four seasons or the Barber adagio or the 14 th Beethoven quatuor or a Nikhil Banerjee raga... But the Art of the fugue is the deepest one ....
It is a work of cosmic proportion and of deep mathematical meaning....
One version i like among others without being able to choose only one is this one:
Why this version?
Because the brass fill the room encompassing me....
If the horn sound especially, coming from the right speaker, outside of it and dont feel like a wall of sound closing on you, there is a room acoustic problem, if this horn dont fill your room enveloping you, you have a room who need acoustic treatment and mechanical acoustic control, sorry....Dont upgrade, think about acoustic...In the meantime enjoy the music anyway because music is not only good sound after all...
Barber is so great! He is able to redefine what a violin concerto must be in his own term... Poetry rule over music here, like spirit rule over music in his quatuor adagio ...
If not, why am i able to put these pieces all along with Bach, Beethoven , Mozart and few others giants ?
Isaac Stern so much of a poet here....
And Bernstein the right maestro so much times, here too...
Incredible original creation... With all other musicians sounding like walking gods...
My favorite composer is Bach for sure for my day to day life...
But nothing can beat the Barber adagio with Bernstein if someone dream about the meaning of death...Listen to it ....
Behind the music of Ives there is a question, it is not a man who decided to be a composer here, he worked unrecognized as an insurance company executive ,it is a man who happened to be composer, after being a church organist like his father, but obsessed by a deep question...
He was an "amateur" of all genre of music, instruments,new sound, unusual ideas, unusal statistics, and strange mysteries, like Leonardo Da Vinci happened to be an artist "amateur" of plants, minerals, chemistry, mechanics, etc ...
They were ARTISTS in the deepest sense...Investigative free souls....
What i retain of this analysis, which makes us understand better what feel deply Ives, is that the world is the encounter of an indefinite numbers of free events without any synthesis, a musical self organized chaos, why? The answer is the emerging beauty of the question itself ...Amazing....
This is "the unanswered question" posed by Ives for me ...
A general remark: Music must be investigated, not only tasted, music must be understood at a deepest level than his syntax or grammar, music must be lived through...Music then is not about tastes so much but about the release of the human spirit from his chain, prejudices,limitations, and attachment... It was Scriabin idea to do so with his music and Charles Ives idea too...These two unrecognized or underestimated geniuses, Ives and Sciabin live at the same time in two difdferent country and express the same freedom ....The two explored tonal/atonality frontier and the cosmic enigma...
I was using Barber here and Bernstein because i discovered the WORK with them... Stern play with Bernstein here... Anyway Shaham is a genius too...But my point was related to the composer which is a great one for me...
And when i like some work i am sometimes unable to choose...
For example these interpretations of the Well tempered Klavier... at first i think i was able to choose... I was wrong...
The Russian master play with a delicate sensibility, like improvising that is sublime...
The Hungarian master play with a controlled WAY that is sublime too...
( i was unable to retrieve his SECOND interpretation recording, here he play in concert but like he played in his second recording though. my favorite one by far, which is way more mature and more controlled playing than his first recording of the work)
One interpretation is more related to my feeling, the Russian one, who play intimate and make our heart participate more a fascinating and pulsating singing interpretation , the other one is more "cosmical", the Hungarian one, almost a fragment of eternity , a block of perfect ice, an HYPNOTIZING interpretation .... Impossible to choose one and forget the other...
Then Shaham is a genius, Stern too in Barber ....
And Barber created a piece Bach would have loved very much too...That was my point... Barber genius...Bernstein and Stern like Shaham are great musicians...my preference here goes to the Bernstein version because the duo violin orchestra is more well contrasted...It is not the violonists which determined my choice but the way Bernstein work the dialogue violin and orchestra over Previn...And anyway if Shaham make his violin sing , Stern make it speak...It is less romantical than Shaham and more "classical" in his intonation...
We can debate interpretation without being able to reach an agreement, but works like the well tempered klavier or Barber quatuor are UNIVERSALLY agreed upon... We can debate about the importance or the level of impact of Scriabin versus Stravinsky for example, but the genius of the two is universally recognized...But some prefer Stravinski and other like me Scriabin...
We can defend ourself without hating and without using propaganda...
I dont like hating condemnation of CULTURES...Russian or American one here...
Biden is not America nor Putin is Russia...
I reacted to an insane remark about my musical post...
I like russian school of piano...
And i dont like to be intimidated...
I dont have the intention to ban Russian Samuil Feinberg from here , one of my favorite piano sonatas ... Period ...
Feinberg was a disciple of the great Scriabin and his 12 sonatas are spiritual journey where the piano vertically spoke and not only sing horizintally like in poetry...
I was in shock when i listened to him the first time few years ago... I cannot imagine someone composing at the level of Scriabin... I was wrong...
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I wonder if the pacifists would be interested if the Russians came up their street and kicked their door down !!!
«True warrior act without hate»- Anonymus gladiator
Very surprising synthesis of orient and occident cultural trends..
This composer Tan Dun is very gifted because he integrated, china and classical european musical influence with Nature and musical discourse exploration...
I am very glad and enthusiastic about this quatuor...
No "deja vu" here....
He present his work and after near 7 minutes it begins....
I dont understand why it is your "hate" that must dictate my musical choices HERE in this thread...This is my reality: a musical thread about different cultures...
Now, not only you speak your mind but you want to bully people... i dont think i am the only one who love music from Russia HERE or any other countries you may decide you dont like.....By the way i listen music from China too....
One thing is sure, i despise censorship and propaganda of any kind...
If you dont like my musical choices stay where you are yourself...
Are you a concious being?
Accusing others is not my way of communication and bullying them either...
You are NOTHING more than me HERE...
You dont have to decide where i will go...Nor deciding like some policeman who will say what or who will be silent about ANY composers from any country... Is it clearer?
Banning Rachmaninov or Stravinsky is not a solution to political problem or a solution to war especially in a musical thread...
But i am stupid to speak to you it seems about common sense...
BUT I DONT ACCEPT TO BE BULLIED....
But i am a democrat: take a referendum and i will go out of this thread if the majority of contributors here are formed in the same mold as you , and if they all want to ban Russia from musical history...If not, you MUST go out yourself if you are a man of your words...
If you don’t like realty then stay where you are .
On the opposite i like discussion...but you never answer to my musical choices post... you wanted to BULLY me and BAN my posts...And bully everyone who are not a fanatic...
But we cannot discuss with someone who throw one sentence insinuations , for example: pacifism as synonym to be a traitor...
Then truth is the opposite of what you say , it is you who insinuate or bully in one line sentence instead of discussing...Anyway stupid assertion like the ban of an entire culture cannot be discussed rationally for sure...Then insinuations are your tool...
And here it is a MUSICAL thread...Like i said ask others people and if they think like you two about me and Russian composers i will be glad to go out DEFINITIVELY of this thread... But speaking is easier than walking the words...Insinuating easier than speaking rationally...
Then i will correct YOU..
SOMEONE HERE DONT LIKE TO BE BULLY...for the stupidest reason especially... The nusic of Scriabin or Feinberg has nothing to do with this war at all...
Any children can understand that... Why not you?
Dont answer, any mature mind can also know why....
I am polite and i like to discuss but bully me and i will answer...
@jim5559 Someone doesn’t like being spoken back to eh Len.
Dont put the pathetic claim you wrote what you wrote because you dont listen youtube here where you haunted all youtube suggestions and comment them ...
Dont put excuse and pretense in the place of apology and dont claim to the " truth" for yourself and everyone ...
And dont excuse yourself or someone like the other Jim about an act which is irrational like bannning Russian music and promoting hate ...
"so be aware i list the truth as i see it and if you dont like it then as they say in Quebec "that’s EASY"....Swallow it...
No more comment...
@mahgister I certainly do not insinuate I tell it as it is and if that is in one sentence then that is the way I am so please do not chide me for that. I do not partake in your musical contributions because I do not like You Tube clips because the quality is awful and also because some of the people the people you choose to highlight are not the type of people I care to listen to and if I did respond you would then be saying that I am getting at you for listing it. So be aware I list the truth as I see it and if you do not like it then as they say over here in Scotland "That’s tough"
I am glad that you agree with me about peace and reason which are the most necessary things we must wish for...
I will agree totally with your observation about GREED and will add thirst for power to the mix ...
I accept what you say with your words that nobody tried to bully me...
I cannot apologize for Russian music links though because i love Russian music and culture like i love Charles Ives the contemporary of Scriabin...
This was my first post above, about these two contemporary geniuses which are expression of pure freedom in their two musical journey, before this "malentendu".... Charles Ives the american and Scriabin the Russian were brothers who dont know oner another separated by an ocean, but their art exploring the frontier between tonal/atonal among other common factors was their common endeavour...
I wish you the best....
We’ve had it for a thousand years and little or nothing good has come from the 90% . Just because you or I love it means nothing to our rulers , always has, always will. One word is supreme , GREED . Nobody is trying to bully you .
The ears /brain know not much about music, the heart/body know more...
Music is a social integration of all individuals in some rythmic union with Nature... Language comes from music in this sense...
Furtwangler know that because his direction infaillibly express this eternal TEMPO flying over all smaller one beat in any musical work he ever directed...
Alain Connes Fields medal in mathematics just registered a sequence of the imprevisible beat of the creation manifested through the prime numbers distributions...
Time obey music not the reverse...Connes say studying Hilbert spaces that the source of an irrepressible flows of variations and novelty richer than time and at the source of time is this UNIVERSAL potential BEAT related to the prime distribution...
Why do you think american Indian and pygmys dance to call for the rain?
Superstition or higher consciousness ?
Guess what is the right answer... 😁😊
Furtwangler music call for the soul like some call for the rain, it is the same UNIVERSAL beat for the rain and the soul......
«My soul flow with the rain»-Anonymus poet
«There is only one beat for love and it is the right one each time »-Anonymus poet
«Musical discourse is infallible all around the earth, be it european or a pygmies dance , because music is God speak at the origin of language itself» -Anonymus poet
Thanks to the work in non commutative geometry of alain Connes we can guess now how music and numbers can be related to God spoken language...
thanks to pygmies or Furtwangler we can feel it without studying mathematics... 😁😊
the relation between these 2 extreme apparent different musical expression is this:
TIME OBEY MUSIC not the reverse...
In any music feel the universal tempo behind all beats...It is God spoken words...
Music is about cosmos secret not about taste...
Our various tastes are like the various religions only a road to the same peak experience: love and unity...
When the beat circle and progress at the same time it is a SPIRALLING ENCOMPASSING movement...
An increasing irrepressible beat and pulse growing which command time itself...
Life is this increasing pulse...
it is the reason why time obey music and music dont obey time but command it...
We can listen to it in one of the most powerful piece of music ever written OR like in the pygmies songs...Or like in the yoruba talking drums under this post...
Music is not sound but what is behind sound: Life asciension itself....
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