cheapest speaker made in the last 10 year that can beat any speaker made before 1970?


what do you think?

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Showing 6 responses by mahgister

I was unhealthy and sad because i sold my house lost my acoustic dedicated room... Now i am healthy with a new audio system and no need to a dedicated room , i worked 6 months on a headphone...

Then i am back here and in a sonic heaven  the best ever with no trouble  and no need to tune a room...

i give you my very best wishes thanks for your kindness...

 

@mahgister

Your back! Where have you been?

 Reading you i know why i missed your wit ...

My deepest respect to you...

 

But....how much can one sharpen Occam's razor before the blade is gone?

 

The sad thing is the Tannoy were much too big for my desk ....

I sold the Tannoy because i had decided to try headphones too.... After few years of desesperation with 9 pairs of headphone, even if each one of them were modified with success, not one competed to my satisfaction...Not one... 2 Planar, 5 dynamic or even my 2 Stax...

Then i decided to go back with speakers, but owning no more my two pair of Tannoys, i sold them a good amount of money few years ago ... :) At this time i did know NOTHING about acoustic and small room acoustic...i bought for 50 bucks very good speakers( but not at all on the same quality level than Tannoy concentric dual gold for sure) Mission Cyrus 781 , the top of the line of Mission speakers...

I was so annoyed by each one of my 9 headphones, and dissapointed by the Mission speakers at first , i decided to try room acoustic and begin to read...

I read articles, study some books, and enter in two years almost non stop listening experiments each day ( i was retired) and acoustic experiments in my first dedicated audio room...

I did not have much money though, then i experimented with what i had in my basement, homemade materials ONLY ... i devised two set of acoustic control : passive one, and active one, material passive treatment with a balanced ratio between reflections/absorption/diffusion and active mechanical control of the zone pressure distribution around speakers and listeniong position... I even used a foldable screen as a kind of "acoustic lens" behind my listening position... I even used mechanical crossfeed between speakers and some oriented crosstalk to improve my S.Q. by Helmholtz method ...

All that was so successful, that the inferior Mission speakers in a room dedicated to them and around them surpassed for my ears the Tannoy experience in my past living room ... The Tannoy are superior design over the Mission, no doubt, but alas, i owned them as most people owned speakers without even knowing anything about acoustic then using them way under their true potential in a non-dedicated room ...

No speakers beat the room where they work for the better or for the worst, it is acoustic science that decide...Not the price paid for the speakers or even their mere good design ...

Then suddenly i was facing the obligation to sold my large house one year ago...

I closed the audio room with despair i spend 2 years to fine tune with my ears, with 100 Helmholtz resonators mechanically adjustable homemade... i was sad to the brink of depression... i called my room grid of resonators : "a mechanical equalizer"... The soundfield was almost a surround field very enjoyable, even if my Mission were not able to go under 45/50 hertz and the tweeter was not the best there is... Anyway my 9 headphones were crap compared to my Mission speakers/room and even my Tannoy never reach their optimal anyway because they were used in a living room then they could never compete ...

Then i was sad and even quit audiogon ( health reason too) ...

Out of despair because of the lost, i begin to modify a last promising headphone : the AKG K340...It was my last hope to acoustic heaven...

A miracle happened after 6 months of listening experiments and insatisfaction at first , a new dac, a new amplifier, new cables and 6 internal and external modifications to put them on their optimal level: they go where i never think possible, they beat my speakers/room in quality, because of their acoustic internal properties...i will not speak about it too much here, I described why in another thread...

To answer your question, i am more happy that i ever was, because i now own the best audio system i listened to in my life, thanks to Dr. Gorike a physicist founder of AKG who make this hybrid headphone with an acoustic patent .... The 5 resonators inside the shell/cup play the same role inside the headphone shell creating a dual acoustic chamber that my grid of Helmholtz resonators distribution did in my speakers/room... This was the only headphone hybrid with 5 resonators helmholtz style on the market for the last 45 years ...

This is why now i dont need speakers...

No more room to tune , and tuning a room ask for 6 months of non stop listening save if you pay 100,000 to an acoustician to do it ...I am happy over anything possible and listen music more than ever, no more paying attention to sound acoustic...

The soundfield is 3-D out of my head, recording dependant and i feel the bass organ with my body because of bone resonance as with a sub... The K340 is the best headphone of AKG and today for the used price an unrivalled marvel... But if you are a beginner and think to use them right out of the box as ordinary headphones, without optimization, forget them, they ask for a lot of work... AkG terminate them because they are too costly to make , and their complex design is too hard to figure out by the average passive consumers, and they are more difficult to drive than Hifiman He 6 because they are not only hungry they are picky... Thats my story...

I dont need speakers now and i did not want to do another acoustic room because even if successful , it was very long and hard job... Most people put speakers in a living room and they think thats great... They are wrong but they dont know better... And no speakers company will dare to say the truth if they want to sell speakers to the average passive consumers ... ALL SPEAKERS NEED A DEDICATED ROOM UNDER ACOUSTIC CONTROL TO SOUND AS THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BE PERIOD ...

 

My best to you...

 

 

or 45 year? what spk do you have now?

 

Me too... My past Tannoy  12 inches dual gold , i owned them 45 years , were so good, even today are easy to sell up to 2000 bucks...

 

I dont think that many modern speakers at relatively low cost under 20,000 dollars can beat my past Tannoy dual concentric gold  rightfully installed in an acoustic room...

But if someone want to pay, some contemporary sophisticated speakers will beat them easily but at a very very  higher price...Technology progress for sure...

The future of acoustic will be revolutionized too with A.I.

 

I dont know for sure for  speakers...( my Tannoy were more than good and i bought them 50 years ago)

But my headphone from 40 years ago can beat most headphone of today.... :)

If not on all acoustic factors at least on many...

Old technology dont means outdated...

The AKG K340 was terminated for many reasons, not because it was not a great flagship for AKG .... It is the best they ever designed...

It was terminated because his too complex technology coupling tuned array of 5 resonators with two cells with a cross-over transformer , electroacoustic one and dynamical one at 4,000 hertz cross- over point was too costly to improve and too costly to design to made good profit out of it , and too complex for the average customer to figure out how to work right with it to reach his optimal S.Q. and too hard to drive with the beginning of headphone amplifier...

A Russian headphone designer well known company even said to me that they tried for years with no succees to create a real hybrid as the K340... Too complex research and too costly to made....

The Dharma enigma is only a dynamic cell with the addition of an electrostatic cell which act as a super tweeter at 12,000 hertz only and without any tuned resonators inside the shell to tame the bass/mids as Helmholtz resonators did it in my room /speakers installation ... No comparison with the Dharma then ... In the K340 the electroacoustic cell work beginning at 4,000 hertz and do in a way half the job with the dynamic cell.... 4,000 hertz is where piano and voice presence are located...

 

Then i dont know for speakers, but vintage dont means outdated in headphone, not with my K340 at all... Out of the head 3-D volume immersiveness beating my speakers/dedicated room on many counts...Heaven exist for me ... But beware, i dont recommend the K340 to beginners because it takes me 6 months of listening experiments to optimize them...This is the reason why some very well known reviewers criticized them whitout thinking that their negative impressions reflected their ignorance...Some component ask much from us and ask to be understood before being used rightfully... One thing is sure all my other headphones are trash compared to them... Dr Gorike of AKG was a physicist, a genius in acoustic and i read his patent to understand his headphone...

Then vintage dont means outdated... And perceived sound quality is perceived, not computed...