Change to Horns or stay Dynamic


After hearing some incredible horn systems, I am curious if anyone has switched from Dynamic or Planar speakers to horns and why? I am thinking about high end horn systems with compression drivers that operate full range. The bass needs to keep up with the speed of the midrange and highs. Preferably a full range horn system, rather than a hybrid.
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Just quick note from Wikipedia about Woodstock 1969.
Do not think it is irrelevant to home listening.
JBL D140 drivers and Altec horns in good condition is almost impossible to find.

"Sound for the concert was engineered by Bill Hanley, whose innovations in the sound industry have earned him the prestigious Parnelli Award. "It worked very well," he says of the event. "I built special speaker columns on the hills and had 16 loudspeaker arrays in a square platform going up to the hill on 70-foot [21 meter] towers. We set it up for 150,000 to 200,000 people. Of course, 500,000 showed up." ALTEC designed 4 - 15 marine ply cabinets that weighed in at half a ton a piece, stood 6 feet straight up, almost 4 feet deep & a yard wide. Each of these woofers carried four 15-inch JBL LANSING D140 loudspeakers. The tweeters consisted of 4x2-Cell & 2x10-Cell Altec Horns. For many years this system was collectively referred to as the Woodstock Bins"

And now for people who hate math, but have money.
Horns are very simple to understand. Sound pressure is not a linear but logarithmic function:

1. You start at 1 watt.
2. To get first 10 DB above your speaker's sensitivity you need 10 Watt
3. To get second 10 DB you need 100 Watt
4. To get third 10 Db you need 1000 Watt

5. So if you draw the curve.
Your DB's are on vertical scale Y, and your Wattage on horisontal scale X.

From 0 to 1 watt it is almost steeply upward. First watt is the most linear part of the curve.

6. From 1 to 10 watt it is flatten up to ~ 45 degree (compression starts to build up)

7. From 10 to 100 watt the curve goes only 15 degree uphill
8. From 100 to 1000 watt the curve is almost horisontal. You pump 600 more Watts and get 1 db more. Ha Ha.

With horn I have 111 DB with one watt. Nondistorted linear 111db. To get those 111 db with the cone speaker (Sens. 85Db at 1 watt) I need to pump ~750 watt. Guess how heavy the coil will be to handle 750 Watt.

Think.

To Gerrum6
You are right about "merry-go-round"

Horns, dynamics, planars are like cars. How can you compare Lamborgini to a Hummer? People tend to replace SUVs with Corvette for no reason. Is there a need for a car to drive 200 mph?

Is there a need for an audio system to produce 120 db peak?

Symphony orchestra is playing one flute, but in the next second the orchestra barks with the whole power.
Most of the brass instruments can alone produce 120 db. There are 120 or so different instrumens in the orchestra.

You are sitting at row 20, a flute is about 40-45 db. The orchestra BARKS. It is about 120 db at the row 20.
The difference is 80 db.
CD can record 90 db of a difference (called dynamic range). Recording engineer has to compress the sound. Some engineers can hide compression better though, but all sounds are too BIG to fit on CD.
No matter what it is, Jazz you name it. I bet to record a girl with the guitar some 6 db of compression is still needed.