Celebration vs Blackbird


Has anyone heard these carts. side by side? Are they voiced similar.
I am using a Sonic Frontiers SFP-1 signature phone preamp and according to an early review of this pre, it suggests that sonically the MM stage is superior to the MC. If this is the case I may opt for the Blackbird and use the MM. However it's pretty good in MC and I would hate to miss out any performance by NOT buying the Celebration.
Also a review on the Celebration suggests that it isn't a great tracker, any comments?
alun

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Hi there, sounds like your pretty happy with your setup, congrats!
Here is the review on the Celebration:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0402/sumikocelebration.htm
I guess I'm kinda wondering whether it is worth the substantial investment over the Blackbird.
Thank you for your response
I don't believe that the sfp-1 uses transformers. I think it adds a FET stage to apply gain.
I've used this pre for a couple of years now in MC mode with my Benz Gold and I don't really notice any tube noise or distortion so it could be that the signature version (which I have) is a much better performer than the standard version.
Thank you for your response Raul, always a pleasure to hear your opinion, but I am having trouble believing that the phono stage is the MOST important piece in phono playback. I can't say however if there is a most important piece in the phono chain as they all seem to support each other. An excellent phono stage will not help a poor cartridge IMO.
Cheers!
I understand what you are saying Raul as it does make sense. System hierarchy is definately an interesting subject regarding vinyl playback and would be a good thread starter (if it hasn't already been done!). I could suggest though that if muscial truth is found higher up the chain then one could only conclude that the speaker is the final and most influential component in the audio chain, as it allows us to hear what is happening further up. I think that David Wilson is also a believer in this theory.
BUT... a good tracking/sounding cartridge will allow the listener to enjoy a broader range of recordings regardless of the superiority of phono stage, no? If something is too revealing then it would also show all the defects in the vinyl and recording event thus creating a poorer listening experience.
I personally can't stand mistracking and groove distortion, however I appreciate the detail and ambient space provided by LP over CD. Surface noise on an LP can be really frustrating and judging by many of the complaints lodged on this forum regarding noise it is also something of an issue for many others.
One of the main reasons for looking at the Sumiko line is because many users seem to be happy with the overall sound and lack of having to tweek the tonearm to the n'th degree just to get the cartridge to make music. My ETII tonearm is fussy enough and I figured the Sumiko's may be more forgiving in the matter of setting VTA,Azimuth etc just right. Many audiophiles are masters of setting up a cartridge and tonearm and I'm certain you are one of them. I can assure you that I am not a master at this science and probably never will be. I hope I am buying one of my last cartridges for a looonggg time.
Thank you for your input and suggestions, now if only I could get that Aesthetix Rhea!
I haven't purchased one yet as I'm still trying to make up my mind between the Blackbird and Celebration. I am leaning towards the Celebration however but I'd really like to hear my SFP-1sig in MM mode just to make sure it is being used to it's fullest.
Thanks for your opinion on the SFP-1 sig, it makes me feel that I'm still ok for a bit even though I do agree to some level what Raul was trying to say. I really like the Aesthetix and would like to hear it in my system but my Benz Micro gold would be wasted on such a beast!
I'll post an honest review on whichever cartridge I choose.
Well, I finally got my Celebration set up and about 10 hrs on it.
I'm hooked, as is my wife! This thing is simply amazing and without a doubt a HUGE step up from my baby Benz.

Setup was very easy and well documented and it sounded great right out of the box.

No problem with the SFP Signature+ phono stage and my passive line stage.

So far we have been enjoying LP's we previously couldn't play due to poor sound quality. The Celebration runs down the groove without a hint of trouble. No mistracking or inner groove distortion to ruin the last song on the lp. It's tremendous bass is a bonus with the sometimes light bottomed ETII tonearm.

I can't speak highly enough of this baby and it's a sure bet. Probably one of the biggest upgrades EVER in my system.

Thanks to all those who helped us out.
Thats correct Dukester, I have found that it does invert phase and it really messed me up about a year ago when I found my CD player did the same!