Cary SLI-80 with one blown rectifier tube, BUT STILL WORKS just fine. How?


Question for the more tube savvy among us – thanks in advance for your input.


I powered up my Cary SLI-80 integrated tube amp this afternoon, sat down, listened, and everything sounded great. I left the amp on all afternoon, and sat back down for more listing this evening. Still sounds great.

 

BUT, now that it’s dark outside and there’s less ambient lighting, I just happened to notice there’s no orange glow from the left rectifier tube (the SLI-80 has one rectifier per channel). Upon closer examination, the rectifier appears to be blown, or damaged, or something. No glow, and the getter flashing is severally discolored. I don’t have a tube tester so I can’t be 100% sure. But visually it’s pretty obvious the tube is bad.

 

BUT, here’s the thing I need your insight on: The amp (appears to) still work just fine – both channels sound great. Even at higher volumes. Bias is good, and is stable.

 

So, what gives? Can a Cary SLI-80 amp, with one 5U4G rectifier tube per channel, still work as normal if one of the rectifier tubes blows?

 

I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that if the left rectifier were to go bad, the rest of the left channel would go out also – or at least would not produce power – while the right channel would still operate as normal. I assume each rectifier is electrically isolated to only one stereo channel. Is that not correct? Are both rectifiers working as one, and if so, is the one that’s still good doing the work of 2?

 

How worried should I be here? If it sounds great and seems to work as normal, is it OK to continue to listen to it and wait for the next time I power it down to switch out the rectifiers? Or should I power down right away?

 

Thanks!

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Al, the reason there are two rectifiers is so that they will hold up when the amp is at full power. At lower power levels one rectifier tube is sufficient.

IOW, the amp is be safe to operate (its been that way already) as long as the volume were not turned up (the loss of the filament load is already proven to not change the operating voltages significantly- other than the B+ is slightly lower right now). If high power demands are made, the remaining rectifier tube would eventually also fail.

Since I often come across old Audiogon forum posts while researching various questions on both A’Gon and Google, I thought I should close the loop on this one in case anyone else has this same rectifier question / issue with their Cary SLI-80 integrated amp and stumbles upon this post:

 

Here’s the explanation as to how my Cary SLI-80 was working just fine with one of its two rectifier tubes being blown:

 

I finally contacted Cary’s tech department, and spoke with Mark. Nice guy. I explained what had happened, that I just happened to notice one of the 2 rectifier tubes in my SLI-80 was blown, and yet the amp was working great, sounding great, and it may have been that way for several listening sessions. What gives?

 

Well, I – incorrectly – assumed that since the SLI-80 has 2 separate rectifier tubes, that one is for the left channel and the other for the right channel. I was wrong (that’s OK, I usually am. Just ask my wife ;-). Turns out, Cary runs the 2 rectifier tubes in parallel (and a shout-out to fellow A’Goners almarg and GS5556 who mentioned this possibility above). I’m not an electrical engineer, but I got the gist that – basically – the one remaining good tube was doing the work of 2, and that’s why the amp continued to perform just fine with one blown rectifier tube. Of course, that also meant the remaining tube was working harder, and if I had left it that way, it too likely would have blown prematurely.

 

I also – incorrectly – assumed that the HEXFRED upgrade that my amp has in its rectifier stage was “taking over” most of the work from the rectifier tubes themselves, and that may have explained why the amp was working just fine on one tube. Again, I was wrong. According to Cary, while the HEXFRED upgrade does “tighten up” and improve the rectification stage, the amp still relies on the rectifier tubes themselves to do the actual work, and the amp can still benefit from using higher quality rectifier tubes.

 

Cary also told me that part of their “ultimate upgrade” package for the SLI-80 is to completely remove the tubes from the rectification process and rely only on the HEXFREDs (and perhaps other magical circuits, I don’t know). This explains the pictures I’ve seen online of some SLI-80 amps with no rectifier tubes at all, and just small black metal covers over the rectifier tube sockets. So, if your SLI-80 amp – like mine – does have the HEXFRED upgrade, but also still uses rectifier tubes, rest assured you’re still running tube rectification, and can still benefit from rolling-in your favorite tubes (like the now ubiquitous Philips 5R4GYS, they just look so cool ;-).

 

I hope that helps anyone with similar SLI-80 rectification questions.

 

And with that, I rest my case, Your Honor.

 
From the sweet spot,

Mike (Mhwalker)

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We've been using HEXFREDs for the last 25 years and they are in everything we make.

If they are really added into this amp as described, the tube rectifiers are really only there for show, since the voltage drops across the HEXFREDs is a fraction of that of the tube, so it isn't doing anything except glowing.
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