Cary cad 120s bias meters ?

I tried that and turned the both input levesl all the way to half
Did not make much of a difference the meters start paging at 10 o'clock position. Though this is a single ended triode circuit design so don't they have a lot of incress in gain by the 10 o'clock position right."

Thank Polk432 for the email that really settled things. The speakers I'm useing are the totem forest which the cary drives really well and which are perfectly paired for the cad 120s. I had a Sli- 80 which drove the forest more than loud enough. Though I did not want to by a sperate phonopreamp and wanted a bit more power for vinyl. Which the SLP-98 dose not lack with any cartridge. Also in the future the only thing I would ever upgrade again is the speakers to the totem metals or earths. which are the same specks as your Wilson's but have no crossover in the woofer. It's good to hear a person who has a SLP-98 for a long time and happy with it. Also who has had a honest opion and who knows to setup the preamp personally through your your experience "Polk432", and live with it for a long time. Then othere people thanks again"
Like the owner of totem acoustic Vince once said. "The quality of the watt is more important then how many watts. Sometimes less is more."