Can you live with your current speaker until you die?


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Yes I can!

In my 40 years of history I had gone through around 15 speakers including

ADS, Altec Lansing, Thiel, Canton, Apogee Duetta Signature(10years), BMW 801, Avalon Ascent, Wilson Audio Watt and Puppy6.



I settled at Pacific Northwest area located just midway between Seattle and Vancouver BC around 6 years ago.

It has a nice western view of Bay and Pacific Ocean with 2 acres lot.

I could play music loud during midnight with no problem to my neighbors as long as I close the windows.


With vaulted big space, my Lansche 4.1 speakers makes a beautiful voice out of classical, Jazz or even new age music.

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I had been living with the speaker since 2007.

I do not claim that Lansche 4.1 is the best speaker in the world.

But with clean and pristine treble out of plasma tweeters and pretty good bass out of 2 10 inch driven by internal active amplifier and high efficiency (99db spec, but I believe it to be around 93db), it is hard to find better speaker with overall merit for my house.


The only catch is that it can stop working since it is an active speaker( plasma tweeter and active bass unit).

But I keep having good communication with Henry Dien of Lansche Audio who upgraded plasma tweeters twice at reasonable cost.

I can happily live with Lansche 4.1 speakers at my present house for my life unless serious health issues happen to either me or my speakers.

How about you gentlemen and ladies?

Had any one of you found the speaker for your life?


shkong78

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I may upgrade the front end including amplifiers from time to time but I will keep my speaker as long as it works.
Ha Ha

Viridian

You may never know who will survive whom between you and your wife.!
Thanks Dan for your detailed story.

I hope that your grandchildren can enjoy your speaker in the future too.

Thomas
Thanks Dan

I had Apogee Duetta Signature for 10 years.

But it seems that Lansche 4.1 is better than that.

The only problem is that it is out of reach with most people.

Sometimes, used one come out at deep discount.

regards

Thomas
To  prof1

You have a relevant point.

it is easier to keep it forever but not that likely to use it until you die.

I had used Thiel for 3 years about 30 years ago.

But I sold it when I need to move across the Continent.


To cjaronica

I used to use Apogee Duetta which is one of my favorite speakers.

After going through around 15 speakers, now I am ready to settle on Lansche 4.1.

I will keep updating front end and amplifiers from time to time, but not the speakers.


I also liked the sound of Kharma speaker with ceramic drivers.

But I settled on Lansche fascinated by its plasma tweeter.
@ joes44

I had used Apogee Duetta Signature from 1988 to 1998.

The main attraction was the transparency of the soundstage , natural presentation and good details.
Life changes and rolls.

But I am afraid of being disappointed after changing the speakers.

I had auditioned many big ones in Audio Show, but I was not convinced to change mine.


@duckworp

Thanks a lot for your compliment on my speaker.

You had gone through 15 speakers in 15 months.

Unbelievable!

I agree with you on the advantage of active subwoofer.

Martin Logan is having success mating planar with active subwoofer.


If Lansce speaker dies before me, then I may go to Martin Logan.
You can go for Kharma Exquisite at a valuation point.

Lansche 3.1 is a small one to play classical music,

Also, you can go for Evolution Audio MM2

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis952a1-evolution-acoustics-mm-2-speakers-mint-customer-trade-in-...

You do not need to rush into buying amplifiers.

There are many good ones.



@ elizabeth

I had used Apogee Duetta Signature for 10 years before.

Thus I fully understand your affection with planar Maggie.

I hope you will enjoy it for your life.

I also keep updating the front end and amplifiers, not speaker
I do not need to go up the ladder of Lansche.

4.1 play loud enough with quality sound.

I will keep upgrading the front end and amplifiers.
Some prefer to change speakers but I am willing to change only front end and amplifiers.

It is up to individual choice.

About 15 years ago, I had been happy with Avalon Ascent for 2 years.

Then one audio dealer offered to give me deep discount over the purchase of Wilson Watt and Puppy 6 which I swallowed.

But it was disaster.

I do not mean that Wilson Audio is bad in general, but Watt and Puppy 6 were too critical to my ears at my listening room and sold it at loss after 6 months.

Since then I had been more careful to change speakers.

In addition, I am happy with overall strength of Lansche 4.1.

Its plasma tweeter is best period.




@inna 
Plasma Tweeters are pretty sensitive to all the upstream signals so they can be affected by power cables and speaker cables.

I am using cables costing 300-2000$ after long auditions.

I had plasma tweeters replaced twice during 11 years of use.

Mr Henry Dien of Lansch Audio had it done at reasonable cost.
Verity Parsifal Encore is a nice speaker.

If you want to live then you had better keep it!

Verity Parsifal Encore


Yes! (or my wife will kill me) :)

Last month I acquired a very first pair of custom made Grandinote Mach 36's from Italy. They are literally serial numbers 0001 and 0002. They retail for about $180,000. They are paired with a Naim system: a 500 amp, a 552 preamp, and a 555CD player, with Luna cables. On top of that, the owner and chief engineer of the company, Masimiliano Magri (better known as Max) just came to my house on Long Island, New York, to fine tune them! It is inconceivable that I would ever want to listen to anything else. Check out the reviews of the Grandinote gear from the Munich show last year. BTW.....if any of you are local and want to give them a listen while sipping a fine dram of some scotch whisky, get back to me at pennpalmitch@gmail.com.

It will be nice to get such exotic speakers.

I would be happy to join you if I live near New York, but I am living on the other side.

I wish you be happy with the speaker for your life.
  • I am fortunate to have the Apogee Scintillas and I will keep them until I die. Had them for 34 years, and will plan for another 34 years. I am planning to acquire another pair and do some time alignment mods, upgrade the caps, new ribbons and have them rebuilt. I think there is a little more to be gained by such improvements. Source is a Naim NDX Streamer into an Allegri+ TVC for volume control, direct driving a Krell KSA-80B and they sound fabulous. Source material is Naim Core RIP of CD's, TIDAL, and Hi REz downloads from ProStudioMasters & HD Tracks. Also upgrading to the ND555/PS555 streamer later this month.

    Bailyhill


Sometimes I still miss Apogee Duetta Signature that I had used from 1988 to 1998.

It had a very natural soundstage and nuanced details.

It is very nice for you to keep your  Apogee Scintillas for your life.

I hope you enjoy it for your life.

Thomas
  • Another for apogee’s...have apogee  Diva’s...rebuilt ribbbons and upgraded Caps etc...use Pass amps,Bat pre all keepers! 
I wished to get Apogee Diva on 1988, but I could not afford Diva, active cross over and two power amplifiers at that time.

Good luck you you if you still keep  Apogee Diva.

Thomas
@ejr1953 


Good for you.

I also plan to update digital front end although I will keep my speakers.
@jafant

Thiel was my first serious floor model speaker.

I had driven Thiel by Perreaux pre and power amplifier with good results from 1985 to 1988.

I enjoyed its clarity and dynamics.

But when I moved from California to Chicago on 1988, I decided to sell it because of shipping cost.
@jburidan

Thanks for your nice offer.

If I win lottery, I also may move to other house or may be not( my house is already big enough 5,100 sqf on 2 acre land).

I will keep Lansche 4.1, but may add big Martin Logan as second system since I had been a fan of planar speakers.


@s

I had listened to Maxx2 at CES Audio show in Las Vegas about 6 years ago.

It was very impressive.

I think you can keep Maxx 3 for your life.

Good luck to you.
@ej

Focal speakers give very lively and dynamic sound.

I was also tempted to get one but it is power hungry.

If I had kept Jadis 500 longer, I may have tried Focal speaker.

I hope you enjoy your speakers as is.
@ejr1953

I know Sopra have high sensitivity.

But many people are of the opinion that high power amplifier is necessary for tight and deep bass.

Thanks for sharng your experience.

Enjoy your speaker for your life.
@ctsooner 

I agree with you in that synergy is important.

Some speakers seems to be power hungry with low impedance despite high efficiency.

You will never know the synergy until you try yourself at your home.

Blind shopping could be hit or miss.
@thejpd

Your   Exemplar XL- IV loudspeaker looks very nice with high efficiency.

Mated with nice SET tube amp, it will sound wonderful.

Enjoy it.
@fleschler

Legacy Signature III is an nice speaker with dynamic sound.

You may need to keep the front end updated from time to time to get the best sound of it.

Enjoy it.
@thilelists

If you like Thiel 3.7s very much, you may build ultimate system.

I will be happy to have a chance to listen to it.

My first serious floor speaker was Thiel.
@ roberjerman

If you have to go to desert by yourself, it may not be bad idea to bring small one like Rogers LS3.

But how will you power them?

Do you have solar power amplifier?
@ soundsrealaudio

It is too bad to hear your sad story!

You may want to enjoy music as much as possible with your current system.

@ danabunner

Von Schweikert  VR-4s is a nice speaker.  If you like it, you do not need to change speakers.

I had a sweet offer for Wilson Watt Puppy 6 from one of dealer around me 20 years ago. 

I swapped Avalon Ascent II which I had been happy.

The result was somewhat disaster, the sound from Wilson was too bright for my taste.

I was forced to sell it to get B&W 801.


@ steve59

Some people are forced to downsize the speakers when they move to smaller townhouse or even nursing home.

Otherwise Beethovens are good ones to keep for your life.

You also have smaller ones for reserve.
@mental

B&W speakers are musical.

I had driven B&W 801 with Jadis 500 350W tube amplifier 20 years ago to get the most powerful bass at my home.
@ melbguy_one

I used to use Apogee Duetta Signature for 10 years. So I also have fantasy for nice planar speakers.

But I like tube sound right now.

I am more interested in getting vintage Western Electric or replica if I have a chance.
@cd318

You are right once it reach certain level, it is hard to improve.

200K$ system that I heard at dealers’s ahowroom 3 days ago in Korea does sound less musical than my humble system (total paid cost around 100K$).


But 300K$ vintage Western Electric Horn system that I had heard twice last week in Seoul, Korea blew me away with natural dynamics and sound stage.

Now I got into trouble.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/are-you-ready-to-dive-for-your-dream-speaker-which-cost-300k
@folkfreak

I agree with you in that there is always  room for improvement in any system.

But law of diminishing return applies here, there is no way to justify the cost of 90K$ MSB Select II in my system although it will give subtle improvement in details, soundstage and etc.

But Vintage horn Western Electric system is just another league above from all modern speakers in natural dynamics to justify its cost.

@ atmasphere

Wow your Classic Audio Loudspeakers loo fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_cqeuogxc0

Is there any place in US to audition them?

I expect  you enjoy it for your life.
Lansche Audio Lansche Plasma 4.1 | Full-Range | Covina, California 91724 | Audiogon

This looks exactly same as mine,although I do not have mine on sale.

The speaker is a real beauty (nice WAF) and work well with SET amp even in good size listening room due to high efficiency (off 99db/w, real 95db/w still pretty high).

If you have nice SET and spare 17,500$, you can enjoy spooky vocal out of it due to plasma tweeter.

It also give excellent dynamics due to two active 10 inch woofers.

I had listened to Magico M9 about two hours ago in private audition.

 

M9 is the best modern speaker that I had ever heard.

 

After attending Pacific Audiofest 2022, 2023 and Seoul Audiofest, there are some nice speakers that draw my attention.

 

But none match natural and relaxed presentation of M9.

 

Of course I noticed no dynamic limitation playing Bruckner "Ressurection".

 

This could be real end game speaker if you can afford it.

 

Thomas

@kennymacc

 

If you are happy with your Revel Salon speaker, that is going to be nice.

 

The problem of audiophile is to keep looking for different flavor like vintage wines.

I had been to my favorite vintage store in Seoul.

Western 757A monitor sounds very pleasant and refined.

 

 

This one is not original Western field coil system but replica made in Japan.

But it sounds fast and go deeper.

 

Magico M9 sounds like the best top grade whiskey with no faults at all.

But it is too heavy for my second floor listening room with wooden pillars.

On the other hand Western original or replica speaker sound like vintage wines.

They may not sound perfect but with peculiar flavor. 😀

 

 

I visited one of die hard vintage audiophile living in Korea yesterday.

He is 70 years old electric engineer who had collected more than 100 vintage gears but sold some of them as hobby.

His listening room on top of his factory building is large, 35ft w 60 ft deep 15ft high.

WE 16A horn 555W driver

Jensen PLJ PLM 18 double woofer

Tad 2001 tweeter.

Power amp is Westrex a11

Pre amp was built by him.

The source is vinyl with some strange ticking noise.

I will upload more videos from other speaekrs in the room.

 

 

Eva Cassidy sounds natural and gracious with the same system above.

If you have large listening room, this system could be your end game system.

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I was back to AV Plaza at Seoul, Korea to listen to Magico M9 on last Sunday

It is a very nice speaker but need more work with amp and Dac matching to get the optimal sound.

 

I was back to my favorite vintage shop at Seoul Friday.

Japanese Western field coil replica was priced very favorably.

The shop owner recommend me to get the replica and then find original Western midrange and bass field coil drivers in due course.

He mentioned to me that power supply, bass box and treble horn of Japanese replica could be used for original Western drivers.

I could not make up mind this time.

But I will be back to Seoul April next year to see my newborn twin granddaughter.

Then I try to find best option with advice of Mr Chung of Silbatone.

 

I wish to get original Western field horn system before I die.😀

 

After being back to my home in Washington State, I pleayed my Scaena 3.2 augmented by pair of Rel 31 subwoofers.

It souud fast and exciting with realistic deep and wide soundstage.

But I noticed mid bass impact limited compared with Magico M9 or other vintage system with double 18 inch woofers.

Thus I had tried amping involving bass horn of Altec A7..

Using JL Audio Cr1 active crossober, I ended up using pair of Rel 31 and Sceana 18 inch subwoofers below 75hz.

The upper signal out of Cr1 goes to Accuphase F25.

Altec A7 basshorn covers from 75hz to 290 hz.

Main tower of Sceanea cover 290hz and up.

With this 4 way triamping system, I could almost get enough mid bass impact.

Thus I am happy with this combination so far.