English 210, I jumped into the audiophile fray a couple of years ago and have learned a lot. As my ear has improved, I have learned a good deal about synergy of systems, etc!
Before spending more on speakers and amps, you might want to check on what you are playing your CDs in. We upgraded to an Oppo 95 last year from a Yamaha DVD player. I was astounded by the huge improvement in smoothness and imaging. My kids $300 bluray player sounded harsher and thinner by comparison.
Also, trying different interconnects made big differences in my speakers' perceived character. I tried very high quality Audioquest silvers that made my fast, but musical vienna acoustic speakers sound harsh on the top end. Low quality copper wires collapsed the soundstage and dulled both bass and treble extension. Everything affects the output!
Speaker wire upgrades--I stepped up from $150 monster cables to MITs. I bought OLD generation mIT 750 series2 with cvt speaker wires and had them professionally reterminated so that age and oxidation didn't interfere with my sound. MITs were a bit darker and more transparent and linear than the monsters were. They are reputed to roll off highs a bit, though I have not seen any issues with the sound I am hearing from my setup. That roll off however "could" help with your harsh highs issue.
I am not familiar with either your speakers or your new amp, so I cannot speak to their characters. However, synergy is an issue. If the amp is one you like, then take it with you if speaker upgrades are your chosen path.
When we first shopped for our system, we chose an amp we liked, then tried speakers with it till we found a set that sounded right with vocals, tympani and horns. Few speakers did justice to all three, but fewer still did a great job with vocals.
Good luck!! Have fun with the process!!!!
Deb |
Ah--your question of choosing appropriate interconnects and cables...
My future son in law who led us back into vinyl after 10 years away, is an avid audiophile. His rule of thumb-- speaker wires should be 15 -20% of the cost of your speakers. If you double the cost of your speakers to minimally account for inflation, you might be looking at $600-800 for speaker wires. Interconnects--his rule of thumb is buy a good name brand used set for $200 or so. That gets you about 80-90% of audiophile wires. You can but cheaper for interconnects that feed your rear speakers.
He likes kimbers, nordost, MIT as his go to interconnects. If you want to tame harsh highs, Silnote interconnects are designed to do that, and have sweet mids. If you stay with solid state, choose copper wires. Do not buy $100 silver wires--your ears will bleed!!
We bought some Tara interconnects for our vinyl setup--superb!!! They are VERY neutral and will show you if there are flaws in your setup. So don't buy them if you don't love your amp and speakers.
We own Tara's, MIT, AQ, and silnotes. I have some monsters in my home theater setup. Just move them away from your front speakers. |
Wow, with all that change going on, I think I would concentrate on getting your Oppo and 5 pr of decent interconnects to hook up proper analog sound from the Oppo to your amp. I had a flagship for its day Yamaha rxv1 that still plays my center and rear speakers in my set up. Your Yamaha amp should suffice for home theater. The ps3 is great for movies and Internet connection, and doesn't have to be replaced by the Oppo--depends on you! We use a ps3 for our mid-Fi home theater set up and are fine with it. But the Oppo should kick its butt on music playback--superior drivers all the way around. We reserve our Oppo for the separate audiophile setup/music playback.i
Once your Oppo is in place, your "source" 2.1 playback will be about as good as you can get. If there is still harshness, then a 2.1 amp would be my next purchase. Because speaker wires work in synergy with amps and speakers, I would upgrade them after your amp or speaker purchase. If you find your playback greatly improved with the Oppo and are almost there, then keep your amps and speakers and grab some better quality speaker wires for your front two or three (center) speakers. If harshness remains, save for a decent 2.1 amp.
I am no expert. But that is what I would do. Start with the source and work outward.
Btw, I use an hdmi cable from my Oppo straight to my tv for picture for my music DVDs. I use analog cables from the Oppo to my Yamaha and from the Yamaha thru my kw500 for fronts. Sounds heavenly.
When we bought our Yamaha, we bought some laid-back Vienna Acoustic speakers to tame any harshness. Worked pretty well. But the tube amp made them reallllllly shine. I have seen vienna acoustic mozarts go for crazy cheap prices on the Gon. If you get viennas, I can vouch that MITs are a crazy good synergy. My VA Beethovens do well. Someday I will upgrade from there, but for $500 for used MIT 750s I get $2k in performance. I am not ready to spend the $3k to better them yet.
Btw, for our rear speakers in our midfi TV room, we still use the 16 gauge monsters!! But if you find some better speaker wires super cheap, you can always grab them for your front right and left. Buy a brand name used that you know you can turn around and sell later. It will improve your sound. Don't buy cheap silver interconnects or speaker wire with the Yamaha. Your ears will bleed!!!
My two cents!
Deb |
English 210, in your shoes, I would go read reviews on your amp and speakers. When there is a great review, note what interconnects and speaker wires they used.
There is a diminishing return on cost/fidelity. Set your budget and stick to it. For our system, I put our finest Tara interconnects in the vinyl setup.
Our second tier still sound mighty fine for DVDs and CDs.
A shoot out in my kids' system gave the MITs interconnects an edge over Silnotes for linearity, and extension. He has a cary tube amp and a sony bluray player. Silnotes will close down the top a bit, which might be just what you want. I bought mid-tier Silnotes when he offers them on super sale on the Gon($100-200 each). His highest stuff is crazy good but prices are wayyyy up there. A matter of system matching.
I searched eBay and Gon for MIT interconnects used. Bought m1s for about $600 a pair. A steal for $1800 interconnects. I was going fir synergy with the speaker wire which i already had. Someday, i will step up to Tara speaker wires.
In your research, find what works with your amp and speakers, then buy them on the cheap. Or buy a generation or two back, if you dont mind not having the latest/greatest. Patience served me well. If you get the Oppo, you will need several prs of analog interconnects, if you are a purist, for sacds.
If you are using the 16 gauge monsters on your front speakers,start changing there!! You might get rid of the glare with a decent set of speaker wires.
Happy shopping. |
English, set your budget and stick with it. If $200 is your IC limit, there are great used ICs out there worth several times that that will make your system sing.
I get your point with the older speakers. But read up on the amp. You may find some synergy info from the pros out there. Ask the guy you bought your amp from what ICs and speaker wires he used. Find out what speakers/wires other Gon-ers use w their identical amps.
Read up on ribbon tweeters and what ICs pros or Gon-ers used with them.
By the time you do all that research, you will have saved for some great wires. Haha!
Call your speaker manufacturer and ask what brand of wires they recommend.
Ask your Hifi guy to demo some wires in your price range. Do not stretch above your price limit because you won't want to let them go! Haha!
I did that with AQ and found I definitely did not like silver with my Yamaha amp. Great extension, but too hot.
I REALLY like MITs interconnects with my OPpo 95.
When I jumped into MITs, I bought a spool of their 4-conductor wire used in high end home theater installations. My future son in law terminated them. I still use them for my rears in my audiophile setup, and they sound great. Even that wire beat $200 monster speaker cables for linearity, extension and neutrality. Monster bloats the mids and sounds "warmer", but I had to turn my knobs down because so much more info was coming from the bass and the highs!!
Once my ear adjusted to a more neutral sound, I knew I was on the right track. Like I said, I found some decent older MITs and picked them up for my fronts and center when I found crazy good deals, and replaced the installation wires. My $200 monsters went into my home theater and I retired the monster 16 gauge wire from the fronts and center speakers there.
If you buy a name brand like kimbers, MITs, nordost, AQ, and stick around the $200 range for used interconnects, you can easily resell anything that doesn't work for you! |
Audiolabyrinth,
I agree that Tara's are the best!
They opened up the vinyl playback, and the more I layered them, the better the sound got.
We have Tara lab the 2 and 0.8 in set up for IC and phono wires.
Someday--Tara lab speaker wires.
We spent our big money on vinyl playback.
It is music therapy for my husband who is in pain every day. It relaxes him like crazy to listen to vinyl.
I was cautioned that Tara's are so revealing that you don't want them if you haven't already optimized your hardware because they will reveal weaknesses in the system and set up that you may not like hearing! Haha!
In reality,for us with the mufi kw 500 and the arc ph3se, the vinyl sounds so great, it is hard to quit once we start for the evening. We have had way too many 3ams! Our TT is a clearaudio Revolution with strad cart.
But our Hifi gurus tell me there are more neutral amps than mufi out there.
And our speakers get us maybe 90% of the $25k speakers we have heard at shows. There is always another level! Haha!
I hope our friend finds his audio nirvana with some good wires and settles in for music fun soon!
Deb |
