Cables that measure the same but (seem?) to sound different


I have been having an extended dialogue with a certain objectivist who continues to insist to me that if two wires measure the same, in a stable acoustic environment, they must sound the same.

In response, I have told him that while I am not an engineer or in audio, I have heard differences in wires while keeping the acoustic environment static. I have told him that Robert Harley, podcasters, YouTuber's such as Tarun, Duncan Hunter and Darren Myers, Hans Beekhuyzen, Paul McGowan have all testified to extensive listening experiments where differences were palpable. My interlocutor has said that either it is the placebo effect, they're shilling for gear or clicks, or they're just deluded.

I've also pointed out that to understand listening experience, we need more than a few measurement; we also need to understand the physiology and psychological of perceptual experience, as well as the interpretation involved. Until those elements are well understood, we cannot even know what, exactly, to measure for. I've also pointed out that for this many people to be shills or delusionaries is a remote chance at best.

QUESTION: Who would you name as among the most learned people in audio, psychoacoustics, engineering, and psychology who argue for the real differences made by interconnects, etc.?
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From OP:

     “if two wires measure the same, in a stable acoustic environment, they must sound the same.”

I do not have an answer to OP’s specific question about which specific  “learned people” in the field may have opinions about interconnects and wires.

I would like to broaden the discussion a bit to include some additional thoughts about measurements, tests and the equipment and persons that determine whether or not differences are heard.

OP does not specify what is being measured, how it is measured, what tools are used to capture the measurement or what the conditions for the test are.  We have precious little to go on for a discussion. 
Assume the stated stable acoustic environment and several devices under test.   We need calibrated test equipment.  Both electronic and human.  Obtaining calibrated test electronics and software is relatively simple.    Choose a test microphone and associated acoustic test software and interface.  Calibrating a human to be a test instrument comes with many unknowns and variables. 
Perhaps a possible test of human hearing acuity and accuracy vs electronic test equipment would be in order.   Play back whatever test signals and program material desired.  Have the listener evaluate and note their impressions.  Capture measurements with the test equipment at the same time. Alter the test signals and program material in a known way.  Repeat the playback and capture measurements and the human impressions of the test signals and program material.  Continue this for many variations of the test signals and program material.  Alterations in the signals can be anything, overall level, frequency response, distortions, latency changes between different frequency bands, pick your alteration and  test it.

This  testing regimen will allow easy evaluation of both the electronic test equipments accuracy and a humans ability to evaluate changes.  
It would be interesting to see what if any differences there are between the electronic tests and a humans impression  of the test signals and program material original test and the altered signal tests.

Once we have a very good understanding of how electronic test equipment and human evaluations of tests correlate only then should we move on to actually testing those different wires and interconnects.