Cable Survey

 
randy-11
I know of some people who have indeed measured cables...

>>>>>>Good for you. 

and an appeal to authority is just what is needed as per the above post -- or when you see an MD

OTOH, how could a physics PhD possibly enlighten a liberal arts major in audiophoolology or anti-vaxing

>>>>PhD = piled higher and deeper. When you say liberal arts major I assume you're referring to yourself. 

mmrkaic
@geoffkait

>>>>Good luck. Nobody measures cables. Were you thinking maybe NASA or MIT? 😛Didn’t you get the memo? Maybe that’s because it’s so boring.

For someone who insinuates to know informal logic, you make rather poor arguments. Your latest one is an argument ad populum.

>>>>I know an Appeal to Authority when I see one. You cannot win. I’ve heard it all before. End of argument. Why is it that skeptics always demand someone else should do the testing and never test anything themselves? Just a lot of talk.

Bingo! We have a match! 👬

mmrkaic
@geoffkait

>>>>By pseudo scientific narratives I assume you mean explanations or claims you disagree with. Nice touch.

No, I mean claims without any empirical support. You know, the boring stuff that engineers and scientists do, like measurements, blind tests etc. In one word: proof.

>>>>Good luck. Nobody measures cables. Were you thinking maybe NASA or MIT? 😛Didn’t you get the memo? Maybe that’s because it’s so boring. 😬

mmrkaic
@geoffkait

Several points here.

1. I stated my credentials simply to elucidate why I reject the pseudo scientific narratives about "the sound of cables". There was not argument from you or anyone else that needed to be refuted on its merits. So, no argument from authority happened here.

>>>>By pseudo scientific narratives I assume you mean explanations or claims you disagree with. Nice touch.

2. But, let’s make this exchange interesting. Do you want to discuss cables? Fine, lets do that.

>>>>No, I don’t want to discuss cables. What would be the point?

a) As a starting point -- what proof do you have that different cables result in different sound? Have you conducted any blind tests and recorded the results? Can you demonstrate statistically significant results that support the claim that cables influence sound? Can you show me your data, the conditions of the experiment/test and your statistical analysis?

>>>>>I have no proof. I do not conduct blind tests nor do I believe results of blind tests are conclusive of anything.

b) Have you measured the voltage at the speaker’s terminals when you used different cables? What differences have you found? Have you listened to the same cables in a blind test? What statistically significant differences in the subjective perception have you found? Show me your data, the conditions of the experiment/test and your statistical analysis.

>>>>No, I have not measured the voltage of cables. I have not measured capacitance or inductance, either. I generally make up my mind over a period of time for just about everything, including cables. Snap decisions, like blind tests, are meaninglessness to me.

c) Have you correlated the price and the subjective performance of different cables in a blind experiment? What have you found?

>>>>No, I haven’t correlated price and performance of cables. I generally survey available cables including used cables that fit my budget then flip a coin.

d) Does it matter? I will not convince you and you will not convince me. :))

>>>I never try to convince someone of anything who’s already made his mind up. 😬

Whoa! Another excellent example of Appeal to Authority. Once I read, "I have 40+ Years in the business" all the errors in the screed suddenly made sense. For example, just one of many errors, high end cable manufacturers don’t get their wire from China, they get it from Japan. Geez, everybody knows that. Oh, by the way, your spell checker is kaput.

Note to self: How come these loud vociferous newcomers threaten everyone with blind tests? Didn't they get the memo that blind tests don't mean anything?

Geoffkait: Whoa! Appeal to Authority Alert! Big time! 🤔

To which mmrkaic replied,

"My dear friend, there is no appeal to authority here, just an explanation why I don’t fall for pseudo-scientific BS that is peddled by many in the audio community.

Incidentally, the actual logical fallacy that you insinuate is more accurately called "appeal to improper(!) authority". Having an advanced degree in physics is not an improper source of authority, when we discuss physical phenomena, such as electric conductivity."

>>>You’re doing it again. That’s an Appeal to Authority, you know, when someone tries to win an argument by bringing up education or degrees, or by name dropping some big authority, even when it’s in the field of interest. Otherwise, anybody could win any argument simply by listing his credentials, which could get a little silly, no? Besides, two electrical engineers or physics majors can completely disagree about almost any argument you wish to mention, especially when dealing with how electricity works. Obviously they can’t both be right. Please observe just how many electrical engineers and even physics majors dispute that there are audible differences among power cords or that wire directionality is real. Capish?

Whoa! Appeal to Authority Alert! Big time! 🤔

"I use 12 AWG speaker cables that I bought on Amazon for~$15 and the power cables that came with my amplifier. If I paid more, I would feel really stupid and exploited. Now, I have a Ms in physics and know a bit or two about electrical circuits, conductivity, electrodynamics etc., so bold claims about "the sound of cables" don't impress me too much."