Bybee Speaker Bullets?


Bybee Golden Goddess "Super Effect" Speaker Bullets...
$4200.00... Tweak or bona fide upgrade?

Was wondering if anybody has had the opportunity or deep pockets to try this particular tweak,and if so ,would love to hear your opinion,impression, or any other comments.

TIA...
aolmrd1241

Showing 9 responses by detlof

Yes; dirt, a few wires and sometimes bad solder joints which have to be redone and please John, I did not imply that you should not stand by your post, because it may after all be justified. I am not the one to judge that. My ears could well be subjective and mistaken and your opinion would be supported by the main stream of EEs. What got my back up a bit, was HOW your post came along, that's all.
Cheers and happy listening (sens Bybees (: )
Detlof
I had the opportunity to try out a pair on my Quads and later on the Sound Labs. They did make a difference, which is difficult to describe. There seemed to be more presence, everything throughout the entire frequency band seemed to sound a tad more "real", a very slight veil was gone, which however I did not know existed at all before.It is not an upgrade which will bowl you over and I find it, considering the costs, only something for deep pocketed perfectionists and it does need a very highly resolving system in the first place to make its presence felt at all, which at best is slight, however noticeable and bringing you a fraction of an inch closer to the real thing. Is it worth the cost? I wouldn't know..........
Larry, I'm afraid I can't. I borrowed a pair privately for a few days and then by a fluke chance got a pair at much less cost used from a Scandinavian audiogoner, who had advertised here.
With all respect to Rod, who of course is free to feel "bowled over" as he puts it, I would like to repeat that I was pleased by the effect of the bullets which they had on my system, I bought a pair after all, but on my stators the effect was not that huge. I have been using Bybees of all shapes and sizes right from the beginning when they first came out. I have always noticed a positive effect, no matter where I put, or soldered them into.It generally made the music a tad more "real" to my ears. Swapping ICs or rolling tubes had however generally a greater effect in the sense of being "bowled over". The reason for this seems to me, that by doing so the entire musical presentation of your system can be changed. Not so with the Bybees, their effect is such, that the voicing of your system will be the same, but there will just be a tiny bit "more" to heard of what your system -within its limits - has to offer, is capable of. As I said, the musical presentation seems to be a bit more real to these here old ears.
By the way, the best way to test the effect of these devices I found, is not only to compare the sound with or without them in the chain, but to compare just one channel with and the other channel without them on a mono recording in your stereo. You will notice the effect quite easily, because the channel with the Bybees will have more presence somehow. You can even increase this effect slightly, by using more of these things until there is no more difference discerned. Again, the overall effect is slight, but certainly there. If it is worth the cost lies in the ears of the listener.
Cheers,
Rod, I wouldn't know if stators are less effective here, however this idea goes against all theories and reports from the field as to how stators are faster and more naturally revealing, than most cone speakers because of their build. ( Their weaknesses lie elsewhere ) No matter. There is no doubt about it, that the Bybees work and that they are beneficial if inserted to most systems. So basically we are in agreement. As you put it: "No argument, good discussion."
I was waiting for a post like the one above. Aolmrd don't let yourself to be distracted by this kind of patronizing and subtly arrogant talk. Try, listen and decide for yourself, because often enough, though not always, those who somehow insinuate us ignorant and uninformed may possibly be looking not at us, but, mostly unwittingly be said to their benefit, into a mirror. (Now how is that for subtle arrogance, remember that song in "Annie get your Gun", long, long ago??)
One thing is sure though, that stuff is wildly overpriced, no doubt about that. For that I don't need to know speaker design or how electronics work.
Here are a couple of reviews and thoughts about what and why the Bybees do what they do. I don't know if these guys were influenced or bought in some way, however what they described I thought I heard well before I read their thoughts and I wasn't bought. I generally buy only what my ears tell me.

http://www.bybeetech. com/reviews.asp
I just reread all the reviews to be found at this address given and find them , compared with my experience of these things, a bit exaggerated. However all point into the direction which I also heard and am still enjoying. To me the effect is slight, but it is certainly there, no matter what the sceptics might think or say.
Larry,
I agree with you all the way you know and I am just as wary of being sold snake oil like any other sensible person, which I hope that I am. In fact I am the first to doubt my own hearing, because in younger years I was with a group of colleagues who did research on the validity of testimony,of what people saw, experienced or rather think they experienced. The result of this research I have never forgotten and it taught me to be very careful and question and question again what my senses tell me. Not always, that would be stupid. (If I see a beautiful woman, I see a beautiful women, well knowing that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder) But in this question which we are discussing, it would be advisable to question and to question unrelentingly. Like you, I would prefer a rational explanation of what is happening and what I am perceiving. But with the Bybees I have to give up. I was taught physics once, but Quantum physics are beyond me and I cannot form an opinion. If what my ears tell me, and with little "experiments" in front of my rig, friends etc will in their own words tell me more or less the same, I will have to be grudgingly content.
However, like you, I would also like to have a reasonable explanation of what in fact is going on, when you submit the Bybees into your system. I find it interesting to note, that in general, the description of what is happening points into the same direction:
Namely that there is a difference and that instruments sound more "natural", more like real music. So speaking in scientific terms, there is some empirical evidence which can be seen as pointing into the same direction. There is no theory however why this is so. All attempts to explain do not really satisfy. Bybee himself says, that he has no explanation for what is going on on the subatomic level, where he says his modules function. Here the circle seems to close for some : No explanation for what is happening is indeed close to snake oil. Because if snake oil works, it is only in the mind of the believer. No dirty tricks even needed here, auto-suggestion will do the work for you. We all know, how strong such an effect can be. Also in the case of Bybees: They are very, very expensive, so they must be good and if they are good, I must of course hear a difference for the better. Therefore, if someone would accuse me of having fallen into that trap, all argumentative powers I would summon for my defense would not suffice to convince my adversary, because even if he would hear the same thing as I, he could still argue that he has obviously fallen prey to the same illusion. Collective auto suggestion is a well known phenomenon. You cannot discount even that possibility.
So what to do? To my mind we have to admit, that if the Bybees work, and there is some evidence which could point into that direction, we cannot explain why. We have the choice of thinking that it is all fraud, because we can't explain it, or on the other hand, accept that the world is full of phenomena which exist but we (still?) don't know and cannot explain satisfactorily how they function. Our own body, at least quite a large part of its intricate interplay, especially on the "electro"-chemical level belongs to this category. There are quite of lot of people, who think that all that cannot be rationally explained must somehow be sham. Hence they tend to look down on the "believers". What they fail to see, is that they are also believers. Believers in what is basically a theoretical concept of reality, which works very well in practice but just simply is not the whole reality. That's why, John, I reacted a bit touchy when I read your first post. As you can see now, so I hope, I respect your position, actually share it, when it gets down to the nitty gritty. I will insist however that there is also dignity in an attitude, which, seemingly naive, is open to be surprised and taken in by phenomena, which cannot be explained. Call it a childlike openess for miracles, which remain only miracles of course, as long as we cannot explain them. Critical rationality in the explanation of world phenomena demands respect of course. Last not least due to the efforts of generations before us laying the foundations of Natural Science, without which modern life would not function. The other attitude, which I am defending now, demands respect as well, because of its courage to be able to be open and to believe and to have the strength to bear and live with the gap between belief and knowledge. Last not least of course also for having the guts to take it, being proven a fool and mistaken. Those two attitudes are often taken as absolute opposites, you are either for the one or for the other side. In fact, I feel, they should not oppose but complement each other. Each on its own is obviously not enough. The discussion about those Bybees to me show this up very nicely.

(Sorry to be so longwinded, in case you managed to read until here (: )
Cheers
Thanks Larry,
Obviously we share similar aural pleasures, thanks also for giving me the impetus to think over where I stand between the so called dichotomy of the "rational" and the "irrational" and of course also thanks for having had the patience to read through that lengthy diatribe of mine above.