Building high-end 'tables cheap at Home Despot II

Talk like that will get your gob smacked.

the production quality of Mosin's table defies and challenges the DIY. For anyone to be able to do that themselves they would need to reach beyond merely dropping an already produced table into a glued together plinth.

I am working on my idler project and am humbled by the work Mosin has done. He has really done it himself rather than drop in plug and played.

well, I guess we will not see an outside non-vested party review the Johnnantais Lenco. That would put a little objective twist to things which I can only conclude that the Johnnantais does not really want.

All together now, "Good luck Johnnantais, we all love you immensely".

I am now finally completing my humble refurbishing of my TD-111. The plinth is at least on a par with the Johnnantais tables I have seen. I am willing to do an independent shootout if the Johnnantais would send me a Lenco.

BTW, this Direct Coupled thing? My understanding is that 99.9% of all idlers were direct coupled to plinth, panels, tables, consoles, etc as they were originally built for installment that way. Nothing new or Revolutionary in the direct coupled approach, it is the standard approach. There have been sprung supports and skeletal supports but I think those are more outside the box that this not new Direct coupled approach.

but why can't Johnnantais just send a Lenco to the 6moons guys without all this ado. I am now refurbishing a Thorens and can't see why he can't just finish the thing somewhere and ship it to them. What am I missing? Seems curious that the Lenco went missing long enough to cancel the review.

If Johnnantais wanted to really get the word out he would have made the handoff to the 6moons guys. Customs issues for a seasoned world traveler? C'mon, whuts up?

BTW, I haven't invented anything and I don't want no credit for anything.

I believe. I got an idler. I'd get a Lenco if they were laying around. don't pride yourself on finding something that people have been doing for a while on their own. sheesh.

So I guess the Johnnantais gave me his comeuppance. I guess I am all pro the idler and a wee bit all blanched out on the Johnnantais cult.

I guess you cannot say anything even slightly off color about the Johnnantais or you get an attitude from him and a lot of puffery.

I don't care really. Well I am off to bed now one and all. To dream idler dreams. I will arise tomorrow and sniff the thinning air for idler parts and make my daily trip to the Home Depot in Calais. Rhodes will see me next where I will bluster and puff my way through a powdery cloud of hoofah.

you guys have GOT to be joking.

personal obsession with Jean? I didn't think they'd post that first one so I wrote another but then and now I see that there is no gainsaying the goofy.

I don't give a darn either. bye bye. Johnnantais invented the internet.

Dear Musicus53,

My thread was helpful in exposing the myth of the Johnnantais. You guys need that. There are people who are building plinths all over the place who have never heard of Self Promoter le Johnnantais.

Let me spread my own Epistle.

I have seen the work of the Johnnantais and all I can say is that it looks third rate. Can't say how it sounds because he won't send me one ... he won't it to anyone to review.

I have a Thorens I am just finishing up and as rough as it is it 'looks' much better than most of the work from the Johnnantais.

I am just a vinyl lover like the rest of you. Johnnantais is the cat in the chicken coop.

Socrates kept asking questions that were embarrassing to the people who thought they knew something ... when in fact, they didn't. Which is annoying.

He met an untimely death at his own allowance. He allowed them to kill him.

I think postings are reviewed and they might think my questions are germain.

So, again, why wont the Johnnantais ultimately follow through on providing a review table?

Mr Win Tinnon, the Black turntable, and the Oswald Mill tasting report

First from scratch idler built in this century!!

I quote a small portion:

"Mike Lavorgna of Six Moons will be doing a writeup shortly, and I am waiting for participants to send in their photos, but some of the highlights for me this year were Win Tinnon's incredible 200 pound plus new idler drive turntable, in slate. Colby Lamb did the machining, and was also in attendance. Tinnon has a patent pending on the idler mechanism, and they built everything but the motor themselves, with Mark Kelly designing and providing the three phase control electronics. OMA did the slate work, Frank Schroeder provided one of his inimitable tonearms (Reference SQ.)"

Word around the campfire is that the cognoscenti have declared the table one of the best they have ever heard. I sure wish there were pictures.

This seems more like a personal blog space than anything else.

"Too bad what should have been great news is severely mitigated by petty politics, axe-grinding, and the need to create neurosis as to a certain Mighty record player ;-)."

What do you mean? Anyway the Might record player will be reviewed at 6moons. Already written up there and much interest has been shown. I guess they a good thing when they see one. ...and a bad one as well. ;-)

Gospel according to Mario. Now we get parables.

What I was referring to was the failed attempt of JeanNatais to get 'his' idler reviewed by 6 moons who kind of didn't want to anyway and the drool effect that the Mighty turntable had with them. A drastic comparison ... not by me mind you, oh faithful apostle, but the moon guys.

So no one has to take my word for anything. Yours either, I might add.

Well, Mucus53, I suppose because this was a thread that mentioned the table before. My posts was like a followup. And the table did start out as a Lenco but shows how far you can go if you strip most of what was Lenco clean away.

Lenco are probably the lowest form of applied idler technology there is and the idea that you could take that application and rise much further can give ideas to other builders. Ideas come from all over unless you shut your mind, hone to party principle, or just plain become purposefully ignorant.

Which one are you, Mucus?

My question was serious but you just ride over it. Smother it with insults. Which is the ignorant way.

I counter that you did very little in the idler movement except call attention to yourself. Much more important inovations are happening all around and it is proof that in this thread all that will be ignored.

sniff sniff.

too bad for your apostles.

"As to your ugly crowing and prancing about"

One has to smile at that as Jean Natais pounds his concave chest.

"Teres uses a term I coined and created to explain how to achieve incredible results from Idler Wheel drives: "Direct Coupling."

- I will interpret this as Jean Natais invented the internet.

I will let stand your latest post as the chisel work on the gravestone of your popularity.

"So, extend this to include an RB-300/17D as a killer reasonably-priced match."

It's as if no one else has ever found this out before. Amazing.

Sometimes I think this Mario dude just posts to bump the thread.

He is not kidding. He is one of the vestal virgins.

I'm definitely out, Bornin50. Good riddance. Anyway, I did not get a tonearm with my Thorens. I bought a Piezo/Syntec/Sparta from mosin who added a lift/rest. There is an argument for it's heritage to the AT-1005. Heavy enough for DL-103 work.

If you _are_ talking about that arm then you can remove the headshell lock by unscrewing it under the arm. Flip it over and there is a screw. Unscrew it and have a look at the wires, they may have separated, but I am presuming.

It should be easy to rewire ..
Is it a bearing or connection issue?

I have faith that Jean will be back very shortly with a face saving explanation.

Vive la hubris.

"So, don't be fooled by bogus "accuracy", which is in fact a gross colouration: " ... I'll say!!!

Since all those records have been mastered on a Technics drive then all those sources are unreliable? Or isn't it a good thing to play back on a motor that approximates the mastering motor as close as possible?

These are just questions which arose as I perused Mr. Nantais' inciteful and authoritarian prose.

Hey Hxtl,

Remember the word "fronting"? That was a big one in the 70's.
It stood for when someone was putting on a front, making themselves something they were not.

The thing about idlers, and anything else for that matter, was that the old was being looked at as clunky. For instance, the fronts of buildings were being covered with metal hiding and damaging the old stonework. I do not remember anyone in my neighborhood, of which and audiophile was not to be found, having anything like a Lenco or Garrard idler. Not unlike today, -people- wanted "cool" which at that time did not include the old aesthetic.

A Lenco is a most un-cool looking thing. The Garrard maybe a step better; the Thorens looks like a dinosaur. It's a cool to be square aesthetic.

This whole thread throbs with "love is in the air" ....
But not a lovefest for any idler.

"phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust" - Clash

I have a Thorns TD111 I rehabbed and like it very much. I am not anti-idler. They do have a "hip to be square" aesthetic, don't you think?

"why not buzz off.."

Why do you guys get so emotional over very very little?

I watch the thread to see if there is anything to learn regarding rehabbing idlers. Sadly, there is a high degree of misinformation, mutual back slapping, and an obnoxious amount of self-love. But the fooles parade marches on.

snide remarks is what the internet is all about, amigo.
here is my page: http://home.comcast.net/~omaille/audio/TD111/TD111.html

Where do Lenco Lovers go when they die?
Lenco Heaven?

Sounds like Lenco Hell.

"Just so everyone knows, the move of Lenco Heaven off ProBoards to a new, dedicated site is complete."

Thank the baby Jesus!

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"I am a media analyst by trade, a researcher who is paid to analyze how the reporting of facts and rhetoric are used to influence people’s thinking, and the results."

That makes sense. In perusing this thread when arises again and again I can see the inherant self promotion. I can see how it has caught the attraction of some out of mere marketing savvy vs deep content.

Or rather remarketing common ideas as breakthrough notions your own.

It is a job well done.

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A while back in my travels I discovered the conrad-johnson PV10BL line preamp. There have been many posts on the matter but I have concluded thoroughly that RCA Command Blackpaltes doing 12AU7 duty are unsurpassed. A nice old school hazy schmoozy sound. A little fuzzy and compressed in comparison to other world class preamps, I must say, but when I makes a discovery I sticks with it.

Upon my eventual return to Jersey I discovered the Hagerman Clarinet Line Preamp. As an expert on these things I must say that it surpasses the c-j handily in air, extension, and detail.

But to stay with the PV well then I will provide a small service to you. There may be a little oscialltion that may make your tubes seem noisy. Not sure if this fault stretches back to the 8 but the 10 had it. See the following link for the fix: http://home.comcast.net/~omaille/audio/PV10BL/PV10BL.html

Of course now you can say you discovered it. No need to thank me. My goodness Jean, hand me a napkin; I think I stepped in something.

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I still have it but the motor seized up. I bought a Technics SL1200 to tide me over and have not thought to try to power up the TD since.

http://home.comcast.net/~omaille/audio/SL-1200/1200Mods.html